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airindia787 Apr 26, 2015 12:57 pm


Originally Posted by lloydah (Post 24719624)
Can this be a US centric problem? My thousands of flying hours on EU3 metal have never been crossed by a request to shut the blind on a day flight, although I do close it for an "overnight" even if it's day light outside. Maybe we're not quite so superglued to a screen over here and the eye shades I have used when I've wanted to doze have been quite acceptable in letting no light in at all.

I have had similar experiences with Euro and other non-US carriers, especially on short haul flights. In fact, most carriers I have flown outside the US require shades to be up for takeoff and landing as a safety measure, and it has always struck me as odd it isn't required in the US.

AtlanticX Apr 26, 2015 1:18 pm


Can this be a US centric problem? My thousands of flying hours on EU3 metal have never been crossed by a request to shut the blind on a day flight, although I do close it for an "overnight" even if it's day light outside. Maybe we're not quite so superglued to a screen over here and the eye shades I have used when I've wanted to doze have been quite acceptable in letting no light in at all.
It depends where you're sitting on the plane too. Especially if you're on/just behind the wing, the glare reflecting off the wing can be pretty strong. On a recent TATL I had the 'amusing' experience of going almost blind when just looking to my left. I think the whole row sighed relief when I (politely) asked the lady in the A-seat of my row to close her shade. She had been so occupied by her book that she had not once looked up or noticed the bright lights.

Don't understand why someone would ever need an FA to make such a basic request of a fellow passenger.

tangfish Apr 27, 2015 3:21 pm


Originally Posted by sdadept (Post 24695593)
I've got the opposite problem tbh. With claustrophobia, having the window shades down is really hard to bear so I tend to get window seats and keep them open pretty much no matter what. While I've taken crap for it in the past, its better than having to pull back to the gate for anxiety.

Maybe you shouldn't fly.

Tchiowa Apr 27, 2015 4:18 pm


Originally Posted by AtlanticX (Post 24723697)
It depends where you're sitting on the plane too. Especially if you're on/just behind the wing, the glare reflecting off the wing can be pretty strong. On a recent TATL I had the 'amusing' experience of going almost blind when just looking to my left. I think the whole row sighed relief when I (politely) asked the lady in the A-seat of my row to close her shade. She had been so occupied by her book that she had not once looked up or noticed the bright lights.

Don't understand why someone would ever need an FA to make such a basic request of a fellow passenger.

Often rather have the FA make a request instead of getting in an argument with a fellow passenger. Let's face it, in the scenario above the guy had to know that he was creating a problem. So depending on him for courtesy, or a courteous response to your request, is a tad to optimistic for me.


Originally Posted by tangfish (Post 24729341)
Maybe you shouldn't fly.

^^^

nkedel Apr 27, 2015 5:38 pm


Originally Posted by tangfish (Post 24729341)
Maybe you shouldn't fly.

Maybe he just shouldn't fly long-haul red-eyes.

There are primarily-daytime alternatives on pretty much every route out there, even if there are some where the overnight flights are the main options.

If you've got a flight leaving at say, 10AM or noon, and you're complaining about the light and not being able to sleep, it's particularly disingenuous. Even with a 12-hour long-haul, that's going to be primarily waking hours for someone on the local clock.

emma69 Apr 28, 2015 10:20 am


Originally Posted by Tchiowa (Post 24708787)
^ That would entertain me for all of about 30 seconds. And people who claim they want to look at the scenery on a TPAC???

Thankfully if you talk to a FA they will pretty much *always* ask the guy to close the shade.

I flew a 787 Trans-Pac last year. The only time I get a window seat is when I fly in a premium cabin (I am claustrophobic and anything but immediate aisle access is panic-inducing!) On this flight I happened to have 2 PE seats to myself, one aisle, one window. It was crystal clear weather, I watched some of the most fantastic scenery underneath us as we flew over Alaska and Far-Eastern Russia - absolutely breath taking, and I am so glad I had a window to look out of to see it. I am unlikely to ever see these parts of the world any other time, so I consider it an amazing opportunity to see some of the world I won't otherwise get to see. I quite happily watched the world go by for a long time. Quite why anyone would think that strange is beyond me - untouched wilderness, with beautiful snow drifts, snaking rivers, far more beautiful and entertaining than anything you can put on the IFE!

The FA dimmed the cabin (no shades on this 787, just tinted windows), but you can manually control the tint - I didn't 'open' it all the way, just enough to see out of, and the FA seemed fine with that. It was the middle of the day (based on our destination time) so being awake (even if others felt it was still the middle of the night departure time) is valid IMO - the sooner you get on to destination time, the less jet lag will bother you.

On other flights, e.g. Trans-Atlantic overnight, I have seen amazing arrays of stars, so clear, thousands upon thousands of them, absolutely breathtaking. I haven't been lucky enough to see the Northern Lights from a flight, but I imagine that would be spectacular.

One of my favourite views when flying is the approach over the UK coming in to Heathrow from N. America. Seeing the first cliffs of Cornwall, then the farmlands of the home counties, and, if you are really lucky, the approach up the Thames where you can see the Houses of Parliament, Tower of London, Tower Bridge etc. It's home to me, and I love watching it.

Cloudship Apr 28, 2015 11:53 am

When looking out the window, I think a lot of people get so concerned with looking at the ground that they forget to look straight out and above. I love clouds! i love to watch for other planes - flying along side, crossing paths, speeding by in the opposite direction. Or the numerouse stars you can see on a dark night. But nothing beast the full moon over moonlit clouds.

jrl767 Apr 28, 2015 12:00 pm


Originally Posted by Cloudship (Post 24733977)
... nothing beast the full moon over moonlit clouds.

and the occasional werewolf sighting :D

BenA Apr 28, 2015 4:10 pm


Originally Posted by slawecki (Post 24714810)
no, i do not see well. , or walk well, so that mean i cannot read because you want the shade down all the way from tokyo to nyc.

As a serious suggestion - if you have issues with reading in a darkened cabin, I highly recommend investing in a Kindle Paperwhite or Kindle Voyage. It will allow you to increase the font size larger than an ordinary printed book, and the screen backlight gets surprisingly bright at its highest setting. It will likely improve your reading experience both at home and while traveling, regardless of ambient lighting conditions.

Cloudship Apr 28, 2015 8:27 pm


Originally Posted by jrl767 (Post 24734032)
and the occasional werewolf sighting :D

Why do you think I like the full moon? :cool:

State of Trance Apr 28, 2015 10:40 pm


Originally Posted by BenA (Post 24735385)
As a serious suggestion - if you have issues with reading in a darkened cabin, I highly recommend investing in a Kindle Paperwhite or Kindle Voyage. It will allow you to increase the font size larger than an ordinary printed book, and the screen backlight gets surprisingly bright at its highest setting. It will likely improve your reading experience both at home and while traveling, regardless of ambient lighting conditions.

I love my Kindle Paperwhite. Compared to previous Kindles, the increased resolution is great since prefer reading with small type (the benefits of being young and a fast reader :D). I'd imagine the Voyage is even nicer if you're willing to spend $200 on an e-reader.

Hengilas Apr 29, 2015 12:22 pm

Another vote for the kindle paperwhite - seriously life changing!

J. Leslie Apr 29, 2015 1:13 pm


Originally Posted by mikekelley (Post 24740109)
Another vote for the kindle paperwhite - seriously life changing!

The Kobo H20 is pretty slick, too. Adjustable font and backlight, plus you can take it to (and in) the pool!

Canarsie May 3, 2015 12:55 pm


Originally Posted by Cloudship (Post 24733977)
But nothing beast the full moon over moonlit clouds.

Looking out of the window while flying over a raging thunderstorm at night and viewing the constant flashes of lightning gives that a run for its money, in my opinion.

Cloudship May 5, 2015 7:41 am

So I am choosing seats for a flight cross country east to west. I can choose a window seat on either side of the plane. There are more interesting things to see on the A side of the plane, but that is going to be the side the sun is shining in from. I can choose the F side to avoid the sun factor, but then I won't get to see those interesting parts.

So, do I give up watching what I want to watch so that the other passengers can get to watch what they want to watch? Does the fact that hey can watch those same shows and movies from home too, but I can't see the ground from my living room factor in?


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