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BadgerBoi Dec 20, 2014 2:56 pm


Originally Posted by BSBD (Post 24029603)
No, I'm not. The suggestions that the woman should feed her child in the lav are ludicrous.

Sorry, I added more to my post as you were responding.

The suggestion that the male passenger move because of the mother's confected discomfort are ludicrous.

Finkface Dec 20, 2014 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by BSBD (Post 24029558)
The law in most of the civilized countries is that breastfeeding mothers cannot be prevented from breastfeeding, nor be compelled to relocate because of a complainer or someone exhibiting signs of "discomfort." I'm willing to bet Emirates has a policy similar to these laws. Most airlines do.

Nowhere does the OP suggest that the mother be prevented from breastfeeding nor that she be relocated to do it. He wasn't the 'complainer' or the one 'exhibiting signs of discomfort'. From what I got from his post, he wasn't even aware she was breastfeeding and was in no way looking at the woman's breasts, be they exposed or covered. She falsely accused him of doing so and demanded HE be relocated. Likely not from any sense of modesty or embarrassment but, in all likelihood because she wanted HIS seat for her husband and was angry that he had refused her request to swap earlier.

[Unduly personalized text edited by Moderator per FT Rules.] I think most of us agree with and support that sentiment. Including the OP from what it sounds like as he didn't have any objection to staying in his seat while she breastfed her child. But she has no right to demand he move because she (claims that she) feels uncomfortable feeding her child while seated beside him on public transport. If she feels uncomfortable, then she can move. But I think we all suspect what was really going on here and it wasn't what she claimed.

BSBD Dec 20, 2014 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by Finkface (Post 24029618)
Nowhere does the OP suggest that the mother be prevented from breastfeeding nor that she be relocated to do it.

No doubt. [Unduly personalized text edited by Moderator per FT Rules.]

BSBD Dec 20, 2014 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by BadgerBoi (Post 24029624)
Sorry, I added more to my post as you were responding.

The suggestion that the male passenger move because of the mother's confected discomfort are ludicrous.

Agreed. See my edit above.

DavidDTW Dec 20, 2014 3:41 pm

I'd like to see what would happen if OP had said something like "I'm gay and believe me those are of no interest to me."

BSBD Dec 20, 2014 3:44 pm



You really can't be serious. It didn't take long for this thread to devolve into the FT sport of "Blame the OP".
based on OPs description, I don't think he was at fault at all; rather that he was in a no-win situation. But you are free to see things however you like.

gungadin Dec 20, 2014 4:00 pm

As a woman, I am so sorry that the OP had to suffer for the woman's manipulation of her right to breastfeed. I don't know the answer. It is true that women who breastfeed have been leered at and made uncomfortable. That does not make it right for a woman to manipulate the situation. I am sorry but I do not see a way for the OP to have won when he should have been able to save his seat. Maybe in the future.

airmotive Dec 20, 2014 5:24 pm

BSBD, from your user name, I can tell we're brothers.
But from your post on this matter, we're third cousins.
This seems to be purely a false accusations to manipulate a situation.
A mild version of a Duke lacrosse case.
The only difference being, the woman stopped short of breaking any laws...

Blue skies.

dchristiva Dec 20, 2014 5:28 pm


Originally Posted by gfunkdave (Post 24025046)
You got taken for a ride, but there's nothing you can do about it now (and very little you could have done then). Best to just let it go.

If it really bothers you, you can always write a letter to the airline complaining that the flight attendant removed you from your chosen seat, apparently due to a baseless accusation on the part of your neighbor, and didn't have the guts to tell you what was going on.

At the time, I would have looked the FA right in the eye and asked clearly "Are you accusing me of staring at this lady's boobs while she is feeding her baby?" It being me, I would have then announced that my boyfriend wouldn't appreciate such behavior on my part. :D

This. Pretty much this. ^

BSBD Dec 20, 2014 5:37 pm


Originally Posted by airmotive (Post 24030112)
BSBD, from your user name, I can tell we're brothers.

Hail and well-met! Nice to see another non-whuffo here.



But from your post on this matter, we're third cousins.
This seems to be purely a false accusations to manipulate a situation.
A mild version of a Duke lacrosse case.
The only difference being, the woman stopped short of breaking any laws...

Blue skies.
Not sure how we're disagreeing. Here's what I posted a ways back:


Originally Posted by BSBD (Post 24029603)
If the OP's story is accurate, it does indeed appear that she took advantage of the situation.

Can you tell me how that makes us disagree?

Steve M Dec 20, 2014 7:44 pm


Originally Posted by BSBD (Post 24029603)
The suggestions that the woman should feed her child in the lav are ludicrous.

[Unduly personalized text deleted by Moderator per FT Rules.] She had the option of doing exactly what you seem to think she should have done: feed her baby in her assigned seat. She doesn't have the right to have other passengers forcibly rearranged in the cabin to her liking. She could have accepted the situation for what it was: everyone in the coach section of the airplane is in cramped quarters and must sit next to strangers for the duration of the flight.

What I'm suggesting is that if she could not or would not accept that situation, she had the option to go to the lav to take care of her business. Not because she had to or should have to, but because she chose to, if remaining in her assigned seat and doing it there made her uncomfortable. That would have been more reasonable than forcing others to be moved.

Steve M Dec 20, 2014 7:51 pm


Originally Posted by BSBD (Post 24029465)
Would YOU eat in the lav?

Actually, yes, I would. I don't see what the problem is. If there was some reason I couldn't eat in my own seat (due to privacy, self-consciousness, or whatever), that would be something I would consider, well before having FA's rearrange the cabin for my benefit. You seem to have some issue with breastfeeding rights that causes you to extend them literally in all situations, and that they trump all other things.

BadgerBoi Dec 20, 2014 7:55 pm


Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 24030495)
Actually, yes, I would. I don't see what the problem is. If there was some reason I couldn't eat in my own seat (due to privacy, self-consciousness, or whatever), that would be something I would consider, well before having FA's rearrange the cabin for my benefit. You seem to have some issue with breastfeeding rights that causes you to extend them literally in all situations, and that they trump all other things.

tbh, who cares where she goes to feed the child. It's her problem, she could have fed it at her seat and nobody would have complained but no, she decided to kick off.

It's her problem, not the OP's

Loren Pechtel Dec 20, 2014 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by Ber2dca (Post 24026557)
Can't really fault the FA that much as they aren't in the position to know what really happened and have to take both sides' stories at face value.

On a purely rational level it makes sense for the airline to move the guy in that scenario. If that lady writes a complaint going: "A pervert stared at my breasts as I was breast-feeding on my flight and Emirates ignored it even though I complained!", true or false, the possible impact is gonna be a lot higher than some dude going "I got relocated against my wishes".

What the FA should have done is observed the situation discreetly.

And when it came to light what had happened the husband should have been relocated to the worst seat on the plane.

BSBD Dec 20, 2014 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 24030477)
No, it's your suggestions that are ludicrous.

Which ones? The one where I said that she appeared to take advantage of the situation, or the one where I said the OP was in a no-win situation? Not sure those were suggestions, more comments, but whatever.



She had the option of doing exactly what you seem to think she should have done: feed her baby in her assigned seat. She doesn't have the right to have other passengers forcibly rearranged in the cabin to her liking. She could have accepted the situation for what it was: everyone in the coach section of the airplane is in cramped quarters and must sit next to strangers for the duration of the flight.
Indeed. She did not, and no one could force her to take her child elsewhere, so - what?


What I'm suggesting is that if she could not or would not accept that situation, she had the option to go to the lav to take care of her business.
Not because she had to or should have to, but because she chose to, if remaining in her assigned seat and doing it there made her uncomfortable. That would have been more reasonable than forcing others to be moved.
Since feeding a child in an aircraft lav is unsanitary, it's not reasonable.

She had the advantage. Force of law/policy gave her the upper hand. Was it right? Of course not. But the same sort of situation could happen again, given similar circumstances, and the end result is likely to be the same. Too bad.


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