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Business Class is GARBAGE!
Thanks to mileage and points, I have had the pleasure of flying in F on a few routes. ^
They were all fantastic experiences BUT they have spoiled all my future travels. In fact, I can't even stand the idea of flying J, let alone Y anymore. :td: How horrible is that? I fly in Y quite a lot and the occasional J was always an awesome treat, but I don't feel like that anymore!!!! I think I need a Doctor…help..:confused::confused: Anyone else having the same experience? |
Much depends on the specific airlines and routes/aircraft types. You can find examples of one carrier's business class being better than another's IFC. Also, domestic USA FC is an entirely different situation and tends to be worse than (international or even nonstop transcon) business class on the same airline.
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I had a pleasure of flying F a couple of times myself, although it was amazing experiences I found it a little overwhelming for myself. I am more comfortable flying J.
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I understand you
i flew Etihad F (award), what an amazing experience..
Business Class on AA seems different now, but i still buy the cheapest Y ticket and try to upgrade because i can't afford J :) At the end of the day, i am VERY happy to fly J on a upgraded ticket |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 23643831)
Much depends on the specific airlines and routes/aircraft types. You can find examples of one carrier's business class being better than another's IFC. Also, domestic USA FC is an entirely different situation and tends to be worse than (international or even nonstop transcon) business class on the same airline.
Originally Posted by GIGMIACDG
(Post 23644024)
i flew Etihad F (award), what an amazing experience..
Business Class on AA seems different now, but i still buy the cheapest Y ticket and try to upgrade because i can't afford J :) At the end of the day, i am VERY happy to fly J on a upgraded ticket |
A little dignity and personal space is a nice thing (tho some business seating still requires contortionist skills to climb over your slumbering seatmate). The theater of white tablecloths one could live without, and it ain't hard to note the incidence of alcohol abuse (gettin' their moneys worth) and snotty privilege among the regular international bidness crowd. Before stumbling into the ff miles games, I often pondered how any rational person would pay the "per cookie" cost of a little wider seat and a koupla warm cookies on domestic tix at 3x the price of back of the bus. Yes, I've flown Cathay long haul in First and it was nice ... better than coach -- yes yes yes.
But if it's such a great experience, why does everyone sleep through it? Just sayin' :-) |
agreed, cant even fathom going back to J... and abs dread Y when I have to fly it... some of my most common routes are US to EU and often have to fly BA... their CW/J is a joke and a half. I mean back in the day I used to *aspire* to CW or even Prem Econ for the hell of it from reg ol' Y... but now cant stand to go back to CW... cause I do believe even BA's NF is more or less comparable to J on some of the best intl airlines around.
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Recently flew Qatar business and felt it was near the same league but FAR less intimate as the usual CX/SQ first. I'd still pay a few more miles for first, but would happily fly Qatar in business again...
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Once you have flown on a private Jet, F won't be the same either ;-)
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Am i the only one who still enjoys coach ( for the people) even though i fly F and J often
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Originally Posted by howtofreetravel
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Am i the only one who still enjoys coach ( for the people) even though i fly F and J often
Probably!! What do you mean by 'for the people'? What's so special about them? I still can see them ad nauseam every day on the subway.... |
"for the people" ... international flights often have an air of excitement and buzz in coach, kinda cool to watch the kids, etc. Up front? A lot of studied, droll stone faces, waiting for the drink cart to come around.
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Originally Posted by wandering_persian
(Post 23643768)
I can't even stand the idea of flying J, let alone Y anymore.
Anyone else having the same experience?
Originally Posted by FTRox87
cant even fathom going back to J... and abs dread Y when I have to fly it... often have to fly BA... their CW/J is a joke and a half. I mean back in the day I used to *aspire* to CW or even Prem Econ for the hell of it from reg ol' Y... but now cant stand to go back to CW...
2. People who claim today's business class services repulse them have no sense of history. Most are far more lavish than F class was a generation ago. Lie-flat beds did not exist until recently. British Airways 747 F cabins in the 1970s and '80s offered only big reclining armchairs and were considered most luxurious. They did not cripple people like David Frost who flew them every week. Had the complainers about today's J attempted to fly long distances a couple of decades ago or more, they presumably would have died en route. They would also no doubt have dismissed Concorde, whose one-size seats were essentially economy class-sized. 3. A true sophisticate is able to make him/herself comfortable and cheerful in any situation, and does not tip his gauche hand by complaining loudly about anything save the very bestest best. International F is a fine adventure which I admit to have enjoyed, but I certainly hope it hasn't made me permanently ridiculous. When in economy I will not wilt, fulminate, scoff, mock, whine, grumble or whimper, remembering that, taking the whole world into account, I am comparatively extremely lucky to be on the plane at all. YMMV. |
Everything is Amazing and Nobody is Happy - Louis C.K. [excerpt]:
… people come back from flights and they tell you their story and it's like a horror story. It's, they act like their flight was like a cattle car in the 40's in Germany. (yeah) That's how bad they make it sound (right). They're like it was the worst day of my life. First of all we didn't board for 20 minutes (right) and then we get on the plane and they made us sit there on the runway for 40 minutes. We had to sit there. Oh really, what happened next? Did you fly through the air incredibly like a bird? Did you partake in the miracle of human flight, you non-contributing zero? Wow, you're flying! It's amazing! Everybody on every plane should just constantly be going, oh my God, wow (yes) you're flying, you're, you're sitting in a chair in the sky (yes, yeah, yeah) but it doesn't go back a lot. And it smells really. You know, here's the thing. People like they say there's delays on flights (yeah) delays really New York to California in 5 hours. That used to take 30 years to do that and a bunch of you would die on the way there and have a baby. You'd be with a whole different group of people by the time you got there. … http://www.beholders.org/good-news/s...ranscript.html |
@ Noamaan: That is the great Louis C.K., and I thank you for digging up that link because his words were actually ringing in my ears as I wrote the post above, but you left out arguably his most relevant sentence:
"Now we live in, in an amazing, amazing world and it's wasted on the, on the crappiest generation of just spoiled idiots that don't care, because, this is what people are like now." |
Originally Posted by noamaan
(Post 23646676)
Oh really, what happened next? Did you fly through the air incredibly like a bird? . . . Wow, you're flying! It's amazing! Everybody on every plane should just constantly be going, oh my God, wow (yes) you're flying, you're, you're sitting in a chair in the sky (yes, yeah, yeah)
And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time. |
Originally Posted by Flaflyer
(Post 23647062)
I agree. In December, 2003, 100 years to the minute after the Wright Brother’s first flight, I was at 35,000 feet in air conditioned comfort with a drink in my hand, halfway across the Atlantic in a Northwest jumbo jet. I was probably the only one on the jet thinking “My gosh how far we have come in 100 years.”
And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time. |
Originally Posted by wandering_persian
(Post 23643768)
Thanks to mileage and points, I have had the pleasure of flying in F on a few routes. …
Thanks all! ~Moderator, Information Desk |
Originally Posted by wandering_persian
(Post 23643768)
Thanks to mileage and points, I have had the pleasure of flying in F on a few routes. ^
They were all fantastic experiences BUT they have spoiled all my future travels. In fact, I can't even stand the idea of flying J, let alone Y anymore. :td: How horrible is that? I fly in Y quite a lot and the occasional J was always an awesome treat, but I don't feel like that anymore!!!! I think I need a Doctor…help..:confused::confused: Anyone else having the same experience? That's the way we humans are. |
Originally Posted by Tchiowa
(Post 23648616)
When I was a lad, coach was fine. Started flying for work and in business class all the time, coach became unbearable. Gained some status with the airlines, got upgraded to first more often than not, now I'm annoyed if I'm stuck in business class.
That's the way we humans are. |
Yep. I'm having the same thoughts. I think I now need Etihad's The Residence.
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Originally Posted by Flaflyer
(Post 23647062)
I agree. In December, 2003, 100 years to the minute after the Wright Brother’s first flight, I was at 35,000 feet in air conditioned comfort with a drink in my hand, halfway across the Atlantic in a Northwest jumbo jet. I was probably the only one on the jet thinking “My gosh how far we have come in 100 years.”
And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time.
Originally Posted by LuisHK
(Post 23648739)
....and whenever you make that step up, it's always so exciting that you wouldn't want to miss a moment... however after you're used to that J class or F class hardware and service, you won't really bother anymore....
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Originally Posted by BearX220
(Post 23646664)
No.
1. It sounds thoroughly silly to claim you "can't stand" to fly a service nicer and more commodious than what 95 percent of international passengers seem to survive every day. [redacted] 2. People who claim today's business class services repulse them have no sense of history. Most are far more lavish than F class was a generation ago. Lie-flat beds did not exist until recently. British Airways 747 F cabins in the 1970s and '80s offered only big reclining armchairs and were considered most luxurious. They did not cripple people like David Frost who flew them every week. Had the complainers about today's J attempted to fly long distances a couple of decades ago or more, they presumably would have died en route. They would also no doubt have dismissed Concorde, whose one-size seats were essentially economy class-sized. 3. A true sophisticate is able to make him/herself comfortable and cheerful in any situation, and does not tip his gauche hand by complaining loudly about anything save the very bestest best. International F is a fine adventure which I admit to have enjoyed, but I certainly hope it hasn't made me permanently ridiculous. When in economy I will not wilt, fulminate, scoff, mock, whine, grumble or whimper, remembering that, taking the whole world into account, I am comparatively extremely lucky to be on the plane at all. YMMV. |
2. People who claim today's business class services repulse them have no sense of history. Most k. Had the complainers about today's J attempted to fly long distances a couple of decades ago or more, they presumably would have died en route. They would also no doubt have dismissed Concorde, whose one-size seats were essentially economy class-sized.
3. A yr International F is .[/QUOTE] I have pretended that I was flying aboard a Concorde instead of a Canadair RJ! |
Seems like a First World problem...."I cannot fly Business Class, it MUST be F I R S T."
While I get to spend some time in Business, but most time in Economy, when I travel, I'm just grateful I get the opportunity to do so. :eek: |
Originally Posted by Flaflyer
(Post 23647062)
And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time.
Whenever I'm searching for a long-haul award, I look for J first. That's my favorite award. Then F if I can't find J, and finally Y if I'm flying an alliance where I have at least a mid-tier status. And contrary to most of FT, I like older-style barcalounger J seats better than the little lie-flat coffins. My disclaimer here is that when I search for awards with my existing *A and OW miles, I tend to see a lot more UA, AA, US, AC, etc. availability than anything else. If I ran a query and saw a lot of CX, SQ, LH, LX, etc. F availability on my exact dates/routes, I have to admit I'd be rethinking my approach. |
Originally Posted by pinniped
(Post 23650256)
And contrary to most of FT, I like older-style barcalounger J seats better than the little lie-flat coffins.
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Originally Posted by pinniped
(Post 23650256)
But in many cases, J exits the plane first and therefore gets through immigration first. :cool:
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Yeah, I agree - my company bought me a business class ticket on SAS to CPH a few weeks ago and that curtain separating us from Economy was great! Other than the curtain I would have been hard pressed to spot the difference - they don't even block the middle seats.
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Originally Posted by BearX220
(Post 23646664)
A true sophisticate is able to make him/herself comfortable and cheerful in any situation, and does not tip his gauche hand by complaining loudly about anything save the very bestest best.
Or at least make a bumper sticker out of it. The most succinct bit of common sense I've seen in a long time. ^ |
Originally Posted by mapu
(Post 23644364)
Once you have flown on a private Jet, F won't be the same either ;-)
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Well, I have flown F on some of the top carriers to Europe and Asia and yes its wonderful. I am still OK with J as long as its a flat bed. I will no longer fly Y overwater and its not because I am spoiled, its because im too old to bother with it. Im OK with domestic Y as long as I have exit row, aisle!
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Originally Posted by wandering_persian
(Post 23643768)
Thanks to mileage and points, I have had the pleasure of flying in F on a few routes. ^
They were all fantastic experiences BUT they have spoiled all my future travels. In fact, I can't even stand the idea of flying J, let alone Y anymore. :td: How horrible is that? I fly in Y quite a lot and the occasional J was always an awesome treat, but I don't feel like that anymore!!!! I think I need a Doctor…help..:confused::confused: Anyone else having the same experience? |
Originally Posted by kp88
(Post 23643915)
I had a pleasure of flying F a couple of times myself, although it was amazing experiences I found it a little overwhelming for myself. I am more comfortable flying J.
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Originally Posted by Airbridge
(Post 23652964)
You have never flown US Airways F domestic have you? :p
The only thing I dont like about business class is that it can be depressing sometimes, because its mostly filled with middle aged men working/going to work. Rarely a smile to be found. I have no problems flying Y - but I will use my brain and resources to get up front any chance I get. |
Oh, how I wish I could know what F is like. To me, even J is a distant dream 99.99999% of the time. Being a government employee (U.S.), I have to fly whatever is the cheapest flights - and can be ticketed no more than 72 hours in advance, so never get even a good seat in Y. The OP makes me dream of how it would be to get jaded on J due to fabulous in F.
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Key for happiness - low expectations...
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The gap between International F and J isn't that big. Maybe a bit more privacy in F and the wine is a little nicer but otherwise I sleep the same in both.
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Originally Posted by CitizenWorld
(Post 23654531)
The gap between International F and J isn't that big. Maybe a bit more privacy in F and the wine is a little nicer but otherwise I sleep the same in both.
We felt packed like sardines. There wasn't enough storage room for personal belongings and the seat configuration was awkward and inconvenient. It isn't a bit more privacy, it's a lot of personal space. This was part of an RTW and the SQ flight from SIN to FRA also in J had none of these deficiencies. This flight was altogether enjoyable. For this reason, I find it hard to generalize about International J. |
Originally Posted by CitizenWorld
(Post 23654531)
The gap between International F and J isn't that big. Maybe a bit more privacy in F and the wine is a little nicer but otherwise I sleep the same in both.
For NH, the F food is excellent, as opposed to J, where it is...still quite good. There's barely a difference in the lounges at NRT. For EK (HKG-BKK), there's a shower in F. That's different. But then, how much more "lie-flat" could the seat get? Though, J class seemed awfully crowded. |
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