Originally Posted by noamaan (Post 23646676)

Oh really, what happened next? Did you fly through the air incredibly like a bird? . . . Wow, you're flying! It's amazing! Everybody on every plane should just constantly be going, oh my God, wow (yes) you're flying, you're, you're sitting in a chair in the sky (yes, yeah, yeah)

Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 23647062)

I agree. In December, 2003, 100 years to the minute after the Wright Brother’s first flight, I was at 35,000 feet in air conditioned comfort with a drink in my hand, halfway across the Atlantic in a Northwest jumbo jet. I was probably the only one on the jet thinking “My gosh how far we have come in 100 years.”

And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time.

Originally Posted by wandering_persian (Post 23643768)

Thanks to mileage and points, I have had the pleasure of flying in F on a few routes. …

Originally Posted by wandering_persian (Post 23643768)

Thanks to mileage and points, I have had the pleasure of flying in F on a few routes. ^

They were all fantastic experiences BUT they have spoiled all my future travels. In fact, I can't even stand the idea of flying J, let alone Y anymore. :td:

How horrible is that? I fly in Y quite a lot and the occasional J was always an awesome treat, but I don't feel like that anymore!!!!

I think I need a Doctor…help..:confused::confused:

Anyone else having the same experience?

Originally Posted by Tchiowa (Post 23648616)

When I was a lad, coach was fine. Started flying for work and in business class all the time, coach became unbearable. Gained some status with the airlines, got upgraded to first more often than not, now I'm annoyed if I'm stuck in business class.

That's the way we humans are.

Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 23647062)

I agree. In December, 2003, 100 years to the minute after the Wright Brother’s first flight, I was at 35,000 feet in air conditioned comfort with a drink in my hand, halfway across the Atlantic in a Northwest jumbo jet. I was probably the only one on the jet thinking “My gosh how far we have come in 100 years.”

And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time.

Originally Posted by LuisHK (Post 23648739)

....and whenever you make that step up, it's always so exciting that you wouldn't want to miss a moment... however after you're used to that J class or F class hardware and service, you won't really bother anymore....

Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 23646664)

No.



1. It sounds thoroughly silly to claim you "can't stand" to fly a service nicer and more commodious than what 95 percent of international passengers seem to survive every day. [redacted]

2. People who claim today's business class services repulse them have no sense of history. Most are far more lavish than F class was a generation ago. Lie-flat beds did not exist until recently. British Airways 747 F cabins in the 1970s and '80s offered only big reclining armchairs and were considered most luxurious. They did not cripple people like David Frost who flew them every week. Had the complainers about today's J attempted to fly long distances a couple of decades ago or more, they presumably would have died en route. They would also no doubt have dismissed Concorde, whose one-size seats were essentially economy class-sized.

3. A true sophisticate is able to make him/herself comfortable and cheerful in any situation, and does not tip his gauche hand by complaining loudly about anything save the very bestest best.

International F is a fine adventure which I admit to have enjoyed, but I certainly hope it hasn't made me permanently ridiculous. When in economy I will not wilt, fulminate, scoff, mock, whine, grumble or whimper, remembering that, taking the whole world into account, I am comparatively extremely lucky to be on the plane at all. YMMV.

Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 23647062)

And remember: F, J and Y seats take off and land at the same time.

Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 23650256)

And contrary to most of FT, I like older-style barcalounger J seats better than the little lie-flat coffins.

Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 23650256)

But in many cases, J exits the plane first and therefore gets through immigration first. :cool:

Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 23646664)

A true sophisticate is able to make him/herself comfortable and cheerful in any situation, and does not tip his gauche hand by complaining loudly about anything save the very bestest best.