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CX HK Sep 22, 2014 2:34 am

Man with the largest passport
 
A bit of an old article (4 years ago), but it was all over the major networks. In my personal circle (excluding FT), I know multiple people who have the same passport, and I am sure among FTers there will be more than a handful who could have the same claim. Interesting to see the press he received.

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/jet-set...ry?id=11882482

Actual newsworthy points?

- Setting aside a quarter million to travel
- "Sixteen-year-old Akhil has already been to more than 80. And in case you were wondering, his passport has reached 72 pages." How many 16 year olds have 72 page pp's?

dvs7310 Sep 22, 2014 5:29 am

Just read this either here or another blog in the past week or two. I'd say there are a lot of Americans with more than that, a full size current generation US passport plus 2 times getting pages added ends up being far more than 72 pages.

moondog Sep 22, 2014 5:31 am

The passport in post 38 of this thread appears to have at least 4 extra page insert booklets.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/china...-stamps-3.html

Lots of people on FT get their US passports up to 96 pages (48 pages plus two 24 page inserts) within 2 or 3 years.

The $150k/year leisure travel budget is certainly out of my league, but fails to impress me (a single intercontinental business jet charter would wipe that out in a heartbeat).

There are lots of 16 year old kids here in Shenzhen that run out of pages quickly; going back and 4th to HK twice a week for an extended period of time results in a lot of PRC stamps.

nrr Sep 22, 2014 8:04 am

electronic pp's
 
Many years ago, the concept of electronic pp's was discussed. Now that the world is essentially "computerized":D, electronic pp's AND visas should make extra pp pages a moot point.:p

gobluetwo Sep 22, 2014 9:18 am

Great that he travels so much with his family, but that lifestyle is clearly not attainable for the vast majority of people in the world. Our annual household income, which is well above the 90th percentile in the US, would be squarely in the middle of his annual travel budget range. According to 2011 US census data, his household income is probably >99.9th percentile.

EDIT: that's not to say that people can't work the system to gain points, miles, etc. to travel more cheaply or to attain more luxurious levels of travel than might otherwise be possible if paying out of pocket or travel more frequently (this is FT, after all!), but most people aren't making this kind of money and able to just drop a quarter million on vacations every year.

Tchiowa Sep 22, 2014 9:46 am


Originally Posted by CX HK (Post 23562405)
A bit of an old article (4 years ago), but it was all over the major networks. In my personal circle (excluding FT), I know multiple people who have the same passport, and I am sure among FTers there will be more than a handful who could have the same claim. Interesting to see the press he received.

I've had 3 passports that had 4 inserts each. It's not uncommon at all. The US even has a rule that once they've added 4 new sets they won't add a 5th, you have to get a new passport. I've never had a passport survive the whole 10 years because of that.

I know at least a couple of dozen people (real life, not FT) who have similar experiences.

sbm12 Sep 22, 2014 10:01 am


Originally Posted by Mabuk dan gila (Post 14544264)
I think this should settle the question of how many sets of pages can be added.

http://www.herbhost.com/miscimg/passport.jpg

Although now with the new ripoff fee structure I do not believe it ever makes sense to add pages anymore. You might as well renew even if you passport is valid for another 8 years because adding pages at $82 for 24 pages costs you $3.41 per page whereas renewing your passport and requesting a 48 page passport yields 48 pages for $110 which is only $2.29 per page.

I wish that photo was still visible; it was well more than 4 inserts in a US passport.

See also http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-passport.html

kshanew Sep 22, 2014 10:04 am

I've got 3 sets of extra pages in my primary US passport and also had a second US passport (with double pages) for a while so I'd add to the "not so uncommon" comment...

BuildingMyBento Sep 22, 2014 10:10 am

My old one had either 6 or 7 inserts. I was able to convince the HK consulate thrice to get it done.

moondog Sep 22, 2014 10:11 am


Originally Posted by Tchiowa (Post 23563840)
I've had 3 passports that had 4 inserts each. It's not uncommon at all. The US even has a rule that once they've added 4 new sets they won't add a 5th, you have to get a new passport. I've never had a passport survive the whole 10 years because of that.

I know at least a couple of dozen people (real life, not FT) who have similar experiences.

I added two inserts (two sets costs the same $82 as one set) in HK a few months ago, and I'm pretty sure the consular people told me that 3 is the max now. Their fee for a new passport (which can be 48 pages if you ask) was only $75.

sammiches Sep 22, 2014 11:40 am

I'm 35 years old and on my 3rd passport with 51 pages... It's not that uncommon for people with jobs that require an international business trip on a weekly basis.

TravellingSalesman Sep 22, 2014 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by article
then hopped around Switzerland -- Geneva, Bonn, Zermatt

always good to see some well-researched quality journalism ^

:D

CX HK Sep 22, 2014 6:56 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 23562774)
There are lots of 16 year old kids here in Shenzhen that run out of pages quickly; going back and 4th to HK twice a week for an extended period of time results in a lot of PRC stamps.

True, but from the sound of it this kid is going from Caribbean country to Asia to Europe, and not really just crossing the same border.


Originally Posted by gobluetwo (Post 23563698)
EDIT: that's not to say that people can't work the system to gain points, miles, etc. to travel more cheaply or to attain more luxurious levels of travel than might otherwise be possible if paying out of pocket or travel more frequently (this is FT, after all!), but most people aren't making this kind of money and able to just drop a quarter million on vacations every year.

I hope he's earning status on airlines/ hotels at the very least, even if he isn't using those points. Somehow I don't think he's buying economy saver fares for him and his family.

moondog Sep 22, 2014 7:49 pm


Originally Posted by CX HK (Post 23566478)
I hope he's earning status on airlines/ hotels at the very least, even if he isn't using those points. Somehow I don't think he's buying economy saver fares for him and his family.

Probably not, but the $250k budget honestly doesn't support excessive extravagance if one spends even 1/4 of their time traveling.

Living in HK, I'm surprised that you're even slightly impressed by this story; excessive spending (e.g. US$20k nights at Dragon i) is extremely common in HK.

CX HK Sep 22, 2014 8:00 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 23566653)
Living in HK, I'm surprised that you're even slightly impressed by this story; excessive spending (e.g. US$20k nights at Dragon i) is extremely common in HK.

Oh, I was only surprised that a common feat (96 page passport) warranted such widespread media coverage.

But yes, living in Hong Kong is hard to be impressed with you are reminded at every corner about the abundance of money in this city. 20k at di? High school kids have been dropping 20k since they were 15/16... crazy. But that's a story for another thread.

moondog Sep 23, 2014 1:44 am


Originally Posted by pjfmullini (Post 23567563)
I was able to convince the HK consulate thrice to get it done.http://.............com/9a.jpg

So, 6 24-page inserts (assuming you got two sets each time)? +your initial 24 or 48 pages? That's a total of at least 168 pages! Can you post a picture of that beast?

Jaimito Cartero Sep 23, 2014 1:56 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 23563971)
I added two inserts (two sets costs the same $82 as one set) in HK a few months ago, and I'm pretty sure the consular people told me that 3 is the max now. Their fee for a new passport (which can be 48 pages if you ask) was only $75.

Aren't the new passports with extra pages, 52 pages and not 48?

LupineChemist Sep 23, 2014 2:13 am

Please Delete

GUWonder Sep 23, 2014 2:31 am

I assume there are still some American kids who get 3 or more stamps a week during the course of the school year.


Originally Posted by CX HK (Post 23562405)
A bit of an old article (4 years ago), but it was all over the major networks. In my personal circle (excluding FT), I know multiple people who have the same passport, and I am sure among FTers there will be more than a handful who could have the same claim. Interesting to see the press he received.

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/jet-set...ry?id=11882482

Actual newsworthy points?

- Setting aside a quarter million to travel
- "Sixteen-year-old Akhil has already been to more than 80. And in case you were wondering, his passport has reached 72 pages." How many 16 year olds have 72 page pp's?

72 pages isn't that much. There are at least three of us on FT who have had double that filled up in our US passports.

chrism80 Sep 23, 2014 4:05 am

That's great! There might be many people who must be having passports with more than 96 pages.

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/jet-set...ry?id=11882482

Its great that he travels so often with his family, after all you get to live only once and you should be living life to the fullest.

GRALISTAIR Sep 23, 2014 7:00 am

My first UK passport was in 1972, then 1982, then 1992, 2002, 2012 so I am on my 5th. Each time I pay extra to get a 48 page passport. That has always been enough - just. I ran my last one close. A new stamp each time into the USA plus two visas and then heavy air travel between the US and Canada can add quite a lot in a short period of time. Using BOG as a base and flying between South American countries can add a lot too. 48 pages is my best and largest.

stimpy Sep 23, 2014 7:28 am

My previous US passport had over 200 pages, but I'm still sure there must be people who have more. When I would run into a consulate that refused to add more pages, I just said "no problem" and went to another consulate who would. As someone posted above, Hong Kong used to be good for this. Shanghai and Amsterdam too.

My current passport is at 96 pages and while it's probably harder to add pages these days, I'm sure I could find some consular officer somewhere to pop some more in if I end up needing it.

GUWonder Sep 23, 2014 1:23 pm


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 23568373)
My previous US passport had over 200 pages, but I'm still sure there must be people who have more. When I would run into a consulate that refused to add more pages, I just said "no problem" and went to another consulate who would. As someone posted above, Hong Kong used to be good for this. Shanghai and Amsterdam too.

My current passport is at 96 pages and while it's probably harder to add pages these days, I'm sure I could find some consular officer somewhere to pop some more in if I end up needing it.

I recall you, hfly and I have all mentioned having a current or previous US passport with well over 100 pages full of stamps. All three of us have probably done this additional page insert done outside of the US when getting new inserts was free at US consulates/embassies.

Compared to several years ago, I'm less likely now to get to another US passport with over 100 pages, as the cost to add additional pages has become high enough that I would consider going for a renewal US passport instead.

BuildingMyBento Sep 23, 2014 2:18 pm

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3908/...8ace8a33f2.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3888/...364470b97b.jpg

Though this FT thread did inspire me to write about it too...

GRALISTAIR Sep 23, 2014 3:21 pm

mmmmmm- thats a big one.

RussianTexan Sep 23, 2014 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 23566653)
Probably not, but the $250k budget honestly doesn't support excessive extravagance if one spends even 1/4 of their time traveling.

Living in HK, I'm surprised that you're even slightly impressed by this story; excessive spending (e.g. US$20k nights at Dragon i) is extremely common in HK.

What's "Dragon I"? A casino?


Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero (Post 23567612)
Aren't the new passports with extra pages, 52 pages and not 48?

Yes, they are 52 pages, as per http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/212241.pdf

Sjoerd Sep 23, 2014 4:29 pm

Are there any other countries, other than the USA, that will add extra visa pages to existing passports?

CX HK Sep 23, 2014 8:23 pm

@BuildingMyBento -- brilliant! Makes me jealous.


Originally Posted by RussianTexan (Post 23571118)
What's "Dragon I"? A casino?

No casinos in Hong Kong, but plenty of clubs... dragon-i is pretty much agreed on as the highest end club in HK.

GUWonder Sep 24, 2014 2:01 am


Originally Posted by Sjoerd (Post 23571205)
Are there any other countries, other than the USA, that will add extra visa pages to existing passports?

Not sure.

140 countries have signed onto the push to cap passport validity to five years. Most of those that have reduced their validity period down to no more the five years don't allow for adding pages and those that did have all stopped it in so far as I've not seen them allow it anymore. The US has maintained a ten year general validity period for ordinary adult passports and doesn't seem as likely to kill that off than it is to kill of the additional page inserts -- but neither is scheduled for elimination even as the U.S. is an advocate against other countries allowing for page inserts or allowing for passport validity periods to be greater than 5 years. It's rather amusing when what's good for the goose is not considered good for the gander.

It used to be more common to see multiple passport books bound together than to see additional passport page inserts in non-US passports. It probably still is, for the latter seems to have largely dropped off the radar.

Singapore_Schwing Sep 24, 2014 8:39 am

OK, so I'll fill up the 52 page passport in about 3.5 years from issue (Despite living in SG, so not getting stamped there, OZ, US, or a couple of others through Global Entry and it's reciprocity). Why not just get a new 52 page one? There is something kind of cool about having the fattest, but I don't want to deal with it, and frankly mine looks like it's been through the washing machine about 20 times (though it hasn't) in only 2.7 years.

I assume that most people in this boat travel for work, so getting the new passport should be expensable, and especially since page per page it's cheaper, why not?!?

Tchiowa Sep 24, 2014 8:42 am

The picture shown looks like 2 US passports put together. That's not uncommon. When I've had to replace my passport because they wouldn't add more pages but I still had valid visas in my previous passport they would attach them together.

moondog Sep 24, 2014 8:45 am


Originally Posted by Singapore_Schwing (Post 23574232)
OK, so I'll fill up the 52 page passport in about 3.5 years from issue (Despite living in SG, so not getting stamped there, OZ, US, or a couple of others through Global Entry and it's reciprocity). Why not just get a new 52 page one? There is something kind of cool about having the fattest, but I don't want to deal with it, and frankly mine looks like it's been through the washing machine about 20 times (though it hasn't) in only 2.7 years.

I assume that most people in this boat travel for work, so getting the new passport should be expensable, and especially since page per page it's cheaper, why not?!?

Long term visas and HK eChannel were my reasons for adding pages (I'd rather carry one fat passport than two slender passports). My passport looks old and ugly; it's not something I'm the slightest bit proud of.

stimpy Sep 24, 2014 8:48 am

Yes I'm a business traveler and yes I can expense the fees. But the process of adding pages is a lot easier than getting a new passport. I just make an appointment, preferably late morning, drop off my passport with the simple application, go get lunch, swing back after lunch and pick up my passport with 48 pages added.

Why would I want to go through the hassle of getting a new passport?

kshanew Sep 24, 2014 9:18 am


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 23574297)
Yes I'm a business traveler and yes I can expense the fees. But the process of adding pages is a lot easier than getting a new passport. I just make an appointment, preferably late morning, drop off my passport with the simple application, go get lunch, swing back after lunch and pick up my passport with 48 pages added.

Why would I want to go through the hassle of getting a new passport?

To echo a previous poster, the multi entry, multi year visas in the existing one are reason enough. A bit more atypical but I've also had to hunt through the passport to find entry stamps when exiting to prove length of stay (or lack of overstay) when the entry point didn't actually run me through the computer. Either of those could require me to carry 2 (or 3 or more) passports so I'd rather just keep the fat and ugly one I have...though is does start to look odd as the inserts stick out farther and farther with each new one as they are added in the center.

GUWonder Sep 24, 2014 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 23574297)
Yes I'm a business traveler and yes I can expense the fees. But the process of adding pages is a lot easier than getting a new passport. I just make an appointment, preferably late morning, drop off my passport with the simple application, go get lunch, swing back after lunch and pick up my passport with 48 pages added.

Why would I want to go through the hassle of getting a new passport?

Getting this done via ACS at US consulates/embassies was a breeze; but now with the electronic appointment system and the fee for the supplemental pages, I am more agnostic between using a US passport agency office to do the page insert or using ACS to do this outside of the U.S.


Originally Posted by Tchiowa (Post 23574251)
The picture shown looks like 2 US passports put together. That's not uncommon. When I've had to replace my passport because they wouldn't add more pages but I still had valid visas in my previous passport they would attach them together.

The U.S. would permanently bind/staple your expired US passort to a renewal US passport? When and where did that take place?

That is definitely not standard common practice nowadays for personnel employed by the State Department and it hasn't been for decades.

5khours Sep 24, 2014 8:17 pm

I think officially you're only allowed 1 insert and they seem to be stricter these days. (And after about 100 pages, it's gets to be pretty bulky for a shirt pocket and you get tired of waiting while immigration officials spend 2 or 3 minutes trying to find visas and entry stamps.)

My old 96 page passport was filled (>500 stamps,visas,etc). So I got a new one earlier this year.

Easiest way (expense aside) to do this is at a U.S. Passport Agency, of which there are about 25 located in large cities. You're supposed to get an appointment, but it's easy to walk in. They'll issue same day if you have a copy of an international airline ticket departing within a few days. Turn around time is a couple of hours.

As soon as they handed me the new 52 page book, I took it back to the reception window and requested a 48 page insert, which I got in about 15 minutes. I figured it was easier than going back and making a separate trip in a couple of years.

P.S. - The main problem with a new passport is remembering the new number. Now I always have to pull out the new passport in order to fill out customs and immigration forms.

moondog Sep 24, 2014 8:55 pm


Originally Posted by 5khours (Post 23577520)
I think officially you're only allowed 1 insert and they seem to be stricter these days. (And after about 100 pages, it's gets to be pretty bulky for a shirt pocket and you get tired of waiting while immigration officials spend 2 or 3 minutes trying to find visas and entry stamps.)



http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/acs_...add_pages.html
If your passport is in good condition and will be valid for at least one more year, you may apply for additional visa pages, to a maximum of 3 additional sets of visa pages.
Regarding thumbing through pages, paper clips are quite useful for organizational purposes.

BuildingMyBento Sep 24, 2014 10:56 pm


Originally Posted by Tchiowa (Post 23574251)
The picture shown looks like 2 US passports put together. That's not uncommon. When I've had to replace my passport because they wouldn't add more pages but I still had valid visas in my previous passport they would attach them together.

'tis definitely one passport, albeit one with many issues.

Some of the consulates glued new pages in, other had them stitched in. I'm waiting for the day someone stamps my photo page...

CX HK Sep 24, 2014 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento (Post 23578020)
'tis definitely one passport, albeit one with many issues.

Some of the consulates glued new pages in, other had them stitched in. I'm waiting for the day someone stamps my photo page...

Have any airline staff or immigration officials commented on the state of your passport before?

stimpy Sep 25, 2014 1:45 am


Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento (Post 23578020)
'tis definitely one passport, albeit one with many issues.

Some of the consulates glued new pages in, other had them stitched in. I'm waiting for the day someone stamps my photo page...

I certainly believe you because my old passport looks about the same as yours.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...-passport.jpeg


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