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CX HK Sep 17, 2014 6:46 pm

Death of the passport stamp?
 
First off, I want to confess that I am obsessed with collecting passport stamps and always get excited when I visit a new country because I know I will get a new stamp.

However, recently, Hong Kong (I use a HK passport) has signed agreements with Germany, South Korea, and Singapore that will allow HK passport holders to use e-gates. While these are primarily meant for frequent travelers, I can't help but feel as though the death of the passport stamp is a lot closer than I thought.

Anyone share my pain? :(

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/a...-kong-visitors

cbn42 Sep 17, 2014 9:15 pm

I think passport booklets are an outdated tool and will probably be replaced by card-style passports at some point in the future. More and more countries are not stamping passports, and I believe most countries track visas by computer so it is not possible to travel on a counterfeit visa. Eventually, there should be no need for booklets anymore. Antiquated technology, however, is usually slow to disappear, so it may take a while.

CX HK Sep 17, 2014 9:24 pm


Originally Posted by cbn42 (Post 23543587)
I think passport booklets are an outdated tool and will probably be replaced by card-style passports at some point in the future. More and more countries are not stamping passports, and I believe most countries track visas by computer so it is not possible to travel on a counterfeit visa. Eventually, there should be no need for booklets anymore. Antiquated technology, however, is usually slow to disappear, so it may take a while.

Unavoidable, given the rise of these "e-gates", but I will be sad to see them go. I often flip through my passport during layovers/ taxi or waiting for immigration and enjoy looking at the different stamps and visas.

BuildingMyBento Sep 17, 2014 9:52 pm


Originally Posted by CX HK (Post 23543053)
First off, I want to confess that I am obsessed with collecting passport stamps and always get excited when I visit a new country because I know I will get a new stamp.

However, recently, Hong Kong (I use a HK passport) has signed agreements with Germany, South Korea, and Singapore that will allow HK passport holders to use e-gates. While these are primarily meant for frequent travelers, I can't help but feel as though the death of the passport stamp is a lot closer than I thought.

Having lived in both Shenzhen and HK, I can relate. Of course, the mainland still offers 'em, but I used to go between the two a lot, trying to make a page completely red...@CX HK, have you tried varying which borders you pass through too? For Shenzhen, I've checked off Shatoujiao, Wenjindu, Luo Hu, Huanggang, Shenzhen Bay, and the airport.

In any event, the HK e-channel (for non-residents) is inefficient, and I think the slip is a waste of paper.

CX HK Sep 17, 2014 10:02 pm


Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento (Post 23543716)
@CX HK, have you tried varying which borders you pass through too? For Shenzhen, I've checked off Shatoujiao, Wenjindu, Luo Hu, Huanggang, Shenzhen Bay, and the airport.

(Unfortunately) as a HK citizen I have to use a "Home Return Permit" card, although it does save me a lot of time and money. I do try to enter through different ports of the same country, eg. EWR, JFK, and BOS for the US.


Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento (Post 23543716)
In any event, the HK e-channel (for non-residents) is inefficient, and I think the slip is a waste of paper.

The purpose was to "save time", although to be honest IMO the most efficient way would be to stamp passports on arrival but not on departure, following the example of the US, UK etc.

BigOrangeTerp Sep 17, 2014 10:08 pm

Another casualty in the war on sentimentality. It's all about being more and more productive, more and more efficient, more and more robotic than human.

Osmo Sep 17, 2014 10:12 pm

It makes my husband very sad that the simple passport stamp is going the way of the dodo.

Remember as kids, flipping through mom and dads passports and thinking about the places we can go. Flipping through the iphone doesn't do the same thing.

moondog Sep 17, 2014 10:39 pm


Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento (Post 23543716)
In any event, the HK e-channel (for non-residents) is inefficient, and I think the slip is a waste of paper.

eChannel saves me an average of 25 minutes per week (most often at Shenzhen Bay or the HK Macau Ferry Terminal... Huanggang doesn't have eChannel for passports yet).

I happen to dislike passport stamps because adding extra pages is annoying.

valdor Sep 17, 2014 11:26 pm

I love the receipt system they use in Hong Kong, I would be very happy if all countries adopted such a system. I'm sick of having to get a new passport every two years because the old one is full (passports are quite expensive in Canada).

State of Trance Sep 18, 2014 12:30 am

And I just renewed my passport with double the pages too. Hopefully they won't be too bare once this one's ready to be replaced.

ft101 Sep 18, 2014 12:34 am

Can't you request a stamp anyway?

I know of people who have done this in Europe where stamps are not the norm for other Europeans.

CX HK Sep 18, 2014 12:35 am


Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 23544101)
Can't you request a stamp anyway?

I know of people who have done this in Europe where stamps are not the norm for other Europeans.

I thought EU border agents could not stamp an EU passport.

Besides, there will be nothing to stamp when our passports all become an ID card...

IceTrojan Sep 18, 2014 12:49 am


Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 23544101)
Can't you request a stamp anyway?

I know of people who have done this in Europe where stamps are not the norm for other Europeans.

Nope... they physically don't have the stamps anymore, so they couldn't even if they wanted to.

I read an article saying the receipt system saved each agent something like 15-20 seconds per visitor, so when multipled thousands of times, you get thousand of people who are sad that they don't get a stamp. :D

Seriously though, they should retain 1-2 lines for "classic stamp" seekers. If they want a stamp, they can wait.

(I would probably be in that line)

CX HK Sep 18, 2014 12:52 am


Originally Posted by LAXative (Post 23544144)
Nope... they physically don't have the stamps anymore, so they couldn't even if they wanted to.

I read an article saying the receipt system saved each agent something like 15-20 seconds per visitor, so when multipled thousands of times, you get thousand of people who are sad that they don't get a stamp. :D

Seriously though, they should retain 1-2 lines for "classic stamp" seekers. If they want a stamp, they can wait.

(I would probably be in that line)

Am I just being stupid? I don't see how the receipt system can save 15-20 seconds per visitor. The "stamping" itself takes 2 seconds to find an open spot and stamp, and at airports like FCO the entire process takes about 3 seconds from handing over the passport to getting it back and being waved through.

Centurion Sep 18, 2014 12:55 am

Death of the passport stamp?
 
If you really want a stamp you can still get stamped at most locations.


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