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As someone who always reclines (even in full recline I still feel I am sitting pitched forward) I don't understand the hostility to the OP's proposal.
While I think having half the plane being no-recline is too much, it would not hurt anyone to have a set number of rows in the back of the plane for those who don't want any seat recline. |
Originally Posted by artemis
(Post 23545333)
Because they are not the ones being inconvenienced, and don't care that their behavior is inconveniencing others?
Originally Posted by lg10
(Post 23528205)
I'm normally travelling with a carry-on bag under the seat in front of me, and it's super awkward to get into it when someone reclines, let alone if I'm also leaning away. This is heightened when I'm trying to hand snacks to the kids or similar.
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
(Post 23545484)
With the exception of passengers who are unusually tall the inconvenience is minor and insignificant.
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
(Post 23545484)
With the exception of passengers who are unusually tall the inconvenience is minor and insignificant. For example:
While I would care if someone is genuine physical pain if I recline I do not care in the slightest if someone finds it "super awkward" to get something in their carry on or has trouble passing snacks to their kids. Trivial issues at best and not worth reconfiguring half of all aircraft seats to accommodate his/her picayune problems. |
Originally Posted by Rebelyell
(Post 23545414)
As someone who always reclines (even in full recline I still feel I am sitting pitched forward) I don't understand the hostility to the OP's proposal.
While I think having half the plane being no-recline is too much, it would not hurt anyone to have a set number of rows in the back of the plane for those who don't want any seat recline. |
Originally Posted by lg10
(Post 23545500)
I guess I don't think it's up to you to decide if someone else's issues are trivial or not.
It is also up to me to decide if the passenger behind me doesn't want me to recline. If it's a genuine physical issue I'm happy to sit up straight. If it's someone who finds it "super awkward" to hand a snack to her children because I recline then tough luck. |
Originally Posted by lg10
(Post 23523832)
We all know about the recent plane diversions and flare-ups in online anger about coach seats reclining or not.
Without getting into strong opinions one way or another (disclosure: I'm anti-reclining), has any airline considered just having the plane split into two sections, one for each camp of people? Specifically, I have been thinking since the Smoking/No-Smoking code became obsolete, surely something like that could be instituted. It would make sense either to have, e.g. the left side of the plane be for Recliners and the right side for Non-Recliners, or for the front to be for Non-Recliners and the back for Recliners. (I say the front and back in this order because it wouldn't be fair otherwise to be the transition row as a NR with an R right in front of you, and the Emergency Exit rows actually offer a reasonable break point where in fact, there is no reclining right in front.) I think that the only reason Recliners would object to this, is that secretly, they all hope to be behind Non-Recliners while leaning back themselves. But I think this is unreasonable. Maybe we can just declare on FT that left side is for Recliners and right side for Non-Recliners. :) What do people think?
Originally Posted by Tchiowa
(Post 23525951)
Cute. Left side for non-recliners. That would be the side that is exits the plane faster. Front of the plane. The area that exits the plane faster. I'm sure that was accidental.
Originally Posted by cynicAAl
(Post 23527070)
I still don't get how this is an issue to so many people. If someone reclines in front of me, I don't get all upset about it, I just recline my seat so that I have the same amount of pitch and face space as I did before the person in front of me reclined. Problem solved. I advise that people behind me do the same if they don't like me reclining.
For people in non-reclining seats, sucks to be you, but plan your seat choice better next time. See, that's me, a die-hard recliner, seeing the validity of the other side's complaints. I simply don't think their complaints are serious enough for me to forego reclining if I paid for a reclining seat.
Originally Posted by Badenoch
(Post 23527974)
I believe this is a stupid idea. Either all the seats recline or none of the seats recline. Attempting to split an aircraft because a noisy minority whines about seats reclining isn't worth the bother to the rest of us.
Originally Posted by lg10
(Post 23539178)
Attitudes like this one is why some of us would like recliners to be corralled together with one another (!)
Look, no one is suggesting that people be always prohibited from reclining (though personally I could get behind such a rule) - the question was about how to facilitate an area of the plane where people who believe reclining is rude, could sit with others who agree, so no one bothers one another. I still fail to see a logical reason that a Recliner would object to Non-Recliners going to their own section. It's like part of the desire to recline is to be a pain in the butt to people who think it's wrong. Both sides would inevitably complain that their section of the cabin is in some way a sub-standard location. "All the reclining seats are in the back of the bus like Rosa Parks! They're treating us like second-class citizens! It's not fair!" or "All the non-reclining seats are on the right side of the plane! My neck hurts and I need a non-reclining seat on the left side! It's not fair!" No matter how you split the cabin, there will always be those who want their preferred section to be in another location, and will complain bitterly about it. To paraphrase P.T. Barnum, "You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please some of the people all of the time, and there's no way in hell you can ever please all of the people all of the time." |
It does seem to me that, short of making E- seats non-recline, the airlines have already provided a good range of options if you want to avoid having someone recline into you. Bulkheads, extra seat pitch rows like E+, MCE, Economy Comfort and Even More Room, and exit rows are often 30% of the available seats.
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
(Post 23546277)
It does seem to me that, short of making E- seats non-recline, the airlines have already provided a good range of options if you want to avoid having someone recline into you. Bulkheads, extra seat pitch rows like E+, MCE, Economy Comfort and Even More Room, and exit rows are often 30% of the available seats.
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
(Post 23546277)
It does seem to me that, short of making E- seats non-recline, the airlines have already provided a good range of options if you want to avoid having someone recline into you. Bulkheads, extra seat pitch rows like E+, MCE, Economy Comfort and Even More Room, and exit rows are often 30% of the available seats.
So if you don't want the guy in front of you to recline, pay for E+ and you get the same effect and accept that the guy in front reclines. If you want even more room, pay for business. |
Originally Posted by lg10
(Post 23545149)
2. As someone else already said: any of these arguments can be turned around. It sounds on this thread, at least, like the more forceful, argumentative, confrontational, bossy people - are the Recliners, not the mostly-quiet, probably majority, Non-Recliners.
I don't recall any thread started by a recliner asking for more reclining, or asking to keep the seats as they are. I usually see threads started by non recliners complaining about. I'm pretty sure the silent majority are the recliners. Usually who complain is the loud minority, who want to change the current status quo. |
Originally Posted by lg10
(Post 23546433)
If you're flying with kids (no exit row) and need e.g. diaper/toys/sippy-cups from your bag (no bulkhead) and not on a route JetBlue serves sufficiently (no Even More) - then it's a bit harder, though I take your point.
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
(Post 23547769)
That's a lot of ifs and ands. The Venn diagram is getting very sliver-ish.
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
(Post 23547882)
What does one expect from someone who demands 50 per cent of all seats on all aircraft be non-reclining just so she can hand a sippy cup to her kids? It's just soooo "super awkward" otherwise. :rolleyes:
1. The constraints just describe parents of young children in non-JetBlue regions. 2. No one said 50% 3. Mock my diction if you want; at least I didn't call anyone "stupid" or "dumb" or "worthless" or insist that I must be in the majority because I'm so enraged about my side of the issue. 4. The reason you hear more from Non-Recliners is that the status quo is skewed toward Recliners. It makes sense that people on the "other side" would agitate for fair treatment or in this case, a separate section. 5. Separate sections, yes, might eventually restrict the marginal seat buyer. On either side. That's kind of how air travel works in general. There's no God-given right to recline or to have enough leg-room. My idea was meant to diminish what has led to extreme truculence in the sky in recent weeks. |
Originally Posted by lg10
(Post 23548213)
Actually, no.
1. The constraints just describe parents of young children in non-JetBlue regions. |
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