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HMO Sep 18, 2014 11:13 pm


Originally Posted by Badenoch (Post 23547882)
What does one expect from someone who demands 50 per cent of all seats on all aircraft be non-reclining just so she can hand a sippy cup to her kids? It's just soooo "super awkward" otherwise. :rolleyes:


Originally Posted by lg10 (Post 23548213)
Actually, no.

Uh, actually, yes


2. No one said 50%
Don't you remember your first post, which started this thread? I'm pretty sure the proposed figures are clear... Please see bellow:

Originally Posted by lg10 (Post 23523832)
It would make sense either to have, e.g. the left side of the plane be for Recliners and the right side for Non-Recliners

I might be wrong, but I always had the impression that a side of a plane is equivalent at half plane, which is the same as... 50% of the plane.

Badenoch Sep 19, 2014 2:22 pm


Originally Posted by lg10 (Post 23548213)
3. Mock my diction if you want; at least I didn't call anyone "stupid" or "dumb" or "worthless" or insist that I must be in the majority because I'm so enraged about my side of the issue.

No one to my recollection called you "stupid." I did call your idea stupid but smart people sometimes come up with stupid ideas. Perhaps you are one of them.

Do you genuinely believe passengers would accept the slightest discomfort or inconvenience just because you find it "super awkward" to hand your child a sippy-cup when the seat in front is reclined?

lg10 Sep 19, 2014 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by Badenoch (Post 23552287)
No one to my recollection called you "stupid." I did call your idea stupid but smart people sometimes come up with stupid ideas. Perhaps you are one of them.

Do you genuinely believe passengers would accept the slightest discomfort or inconvenience just because you find it "super awkward" to hand your child a sippy-cup when the seat in front is reclined?

I guess I think that my "slightest" (or more) discomfort/inconvenience is at least as important as others'. And I don't think that the Recliners' comfort/convenience is sacred just because of the status quo (which came to be for totally other reasons, i.e. airlines cramming in more seats).

The reality is that reclined seats get jostled/bumped if someone needs to access their bags. Should I care about the "slightest discomfort" or awkwardness to the bump-ee when I'm getting out my stuff? I actually kind of do care, and I was looking for a solution. Because it's not like I'm going to refrain from accessing my own property for myself or my children for hours.

Regarding 50% of the plane - as a starting point I asked side-vs-side or front-vs-back but that doesn't mean that it would be a 50%/50% solution as a long-term permanent plan; the number of rows would have to be based on some kind of market research.

I'm not yet convinced that Recliners are the majority - where's that other poster with his/her data from the survey?

And re Non-Recliners "sneezing on" or otherwise harassing Recliners - I'm not such a person myself, but don't you think that the volatility of this issue and the positively bellicose attitudes on both sides from representatives - mandate some kind of solution? (More of a solution than everyone telling the other people, "you're wrong; buy different seats; go away; I hate you"

pragakhan Sep 19, 2014 8:28 pm

This thread is still happening? LOL


Originally Posted by lg10 (Post 23552855)
I'm not yet convinced that Recliners are the majority

Oh please.. If it was as big of an issue as you think it is, this would have happened a long time ago lol...

Spirit doesn't do it for your comfort, they do it because it is cheaper and they can cram more seats in their planes. Same with the lack of window shades..

Get real....

HMO Sep 19, 2014 11:38 pm


Originally Posted by lg10 (Post 23552855)
Regarding 50% of the plane - as a starting point I asked side-vs-side or front-vs-back but that doesn't mean that it would be a 50%/50% solution as a long-term permanent plan;

Half half might not be the final ratio for your proposal, but you indeed had suggested 50% in the beginning.


the number of rows would have to be based on some kind of market research.

I'm not yet convinced that Recliners are the majority - where's that other poster with his/her data from the survey?
I don't have any data, and I never claimed I have any data. Do you?

Badenoch Sep 20, 2014 6:29 am


Originally Posted by lg10 (Post 23552855)
The reality is that reclined seats get jostled/bumped if someone needs to access their bags. Should I care about the "slightest discomfort" or awkwardness to the bump-ee when I'm getting out my stuff? I actually kind of do care, and I was looking for a solution. Because it's not like I'm going to refrain from accessing my own property for myself or my children for hours.

Yes reclined seats get bumped. It's part of travelling on aircraft in close quarters. A bump because the passenger behind needs to access baggage under the seat or pass a sippy-cup to a child is a brief and momentary disruption.

Your plan however demands that half the passengers be inconvenienced on your behalf not just for a few moments but for the entire flight, in perpetuity, on all aircraft.


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