boarding zone cheating
#106

Join Date: Aug 2011
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I just can't stand these better than thou zone jumpers. These are the same people who put their bags at the front of the plane when they are sitting in the back. I've paid a lot of money building status with the airline so that I may have a bit more comfort and the occasional upgrade.
#107
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Saint Petersburg, Florida
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What makes you claim that boarding in a better zone than your BP entitles you to is not a very effective play of the game? I would agree, if you get caught, it's a failed play. But if you don't get caught, it's a successful play. Just as throwing a spit-ball for a strike out is in baseball, or holding on the offensive line or against a wideout is if you don't draw a penalty flag. Breaking the "rules" without getting caught is an art to successful play in any game.
A major reason that the Seattle Seahawks are the current Super Bowl champs is because they perfected the art of physical contact against wideouts by their secondary without getting flagged for it.
A major reason that the Seattle Seahawks are the current Super Bowl champs is because they perfected the art of physical contact against wideouts by their secondary without getting flagged for it.
If you want a better zone get the airline credit card.
#108
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 17
The 'science' of boarding efficiency is questionable at best. It isn't about science, it is about perceptions....We might be smart animals, but we're still animals.
Airlines Go Back to Boarding School to Reduce Chaos ...
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...57930970524522
Best boarding strategy for airlines: random, study says
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smar...om-study-says/
The airlines' endless quest for better boarding
http://host.madison.com/business/the...57930970524522
Airlines Go Back to Boarding School to Reduce Chaos ...
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...57930970524522
Best boarding strategy for airlines: random, study says
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smar...om-study-says/
The airlines' endless quest for better boarding
http://host.madison.com/business/the...57930970524522
#109


Join Date: Aug 2007
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I can't believe how long this thread has gone on, but I'll pile on my $.02...
Steve Jobs was an a*hole but mostly acted not out of self-interest but in creating something larger than himself or any member of the team. Line jumpers are just a*holes.
If I were emperor of an airline, I'd make the first two checked bags free, give bonuses to baggage handling teams that beat a 15-minute goal time for the first bag hitting the carousel after the wheels stop, pay for it with a charge for carryons that exceed the actual design space of the aircraft (I'm talking to you, Mr and Ms 1 week of clothes in your carryon), and board in an order designed purely to accelerate the process (like alternating rows starting at the back). I'd also have the GA's use cattle prods to keep the boarding area free of people blocking the line when they're 2 groups too early.
There's a reason I'm not in customer service :-)
Steve Jobs was an a*hole but mostly acted not out of self-interest but in creating something larger than himself or any member of the team. Line jumpers are just a*holes.
If I were emperor of an airline, I'd make the first two checked bags free, give bonuses to baggage handling teams that beat a 15-minute goal time for the first bag hitting the carousel after the wheels stop, pay for it with a charge for carryons that exceed the actual design space of the aircraft (I'm talking to you, Mr and Ms 1 week of clothes in your carryon), and board in an order designed purely to accelerate the process (like alternating rows starting at the back). I'd also have the GA's use cattle prods to keep the boarding area free of people blocking the line when they're 2 groups too early.
There's a reason I'm not in customer service :-)
#110
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If you really have EXPENSIVE camera "stuff", independent of airline issues (you don't spend 100% of your time flying
), having a rider to your homeowners insurance to cover these would be prudent.
Hypothetical: the airline does cover camera equip. in checked luggage--but through negligence on your part (it was improperly packed by you), it gets tricky in placing the blame. The way airlines unbundled fees, maybe they should charge extra (in addition to luggage fees), separately for insurance.
--I don't think the airlines want to become insurance agents.
), having a rider to your homeowners insurance to cover these would be prudent. Hypothetical: the airline does cover camera equip. in checked luggage--but through negligence on your part (it was improperly packed by you), it gets tricky in placing the blame. The way airlines unbundled fees, maybe they should charge extra (in addition to luggage fees), separately for insurance.
--I don't think the airlines want to become insurance agents.Some travel insurance would provide coverage.
#111
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I just can't stand these better than thou zone jumpers. These are the same people who put their bags at the front of the plane when they are sitting in the back. I've paid a lot of money building status with the airline so that I may have a bit more comfort and the occasional upgrade.
Actual "status" would be independent of dropping more money. I'm a believer that all people are created equal.
#112
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Falls Gulch VA
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There have been times when I've been tempted to carry a cane and go on with the "need a little more time for boarding" boarders. The only reason why I, and probably most "cheaters" want to borard before my assigned time is to assure that there will be overhead storage space, but I find that even when I'm in the last group, that even on a nearly full flight, I've been able to find space overhead near my seat that's within reach or a couple of rows forward so I don't have to wait until the rush clears to go toward the back of the plane to retrieve my stuff.
Maybe I've just been lucky, or maybe they really have it figured out so that statistically everyone who needs overhead space has it. But still, I hang around the line when I see it getting near the end of the group before mine so I can be one of the first in my group to board. There are a lot of cheapskates like me and I try to at least beat out the fair competition. ;(
#113
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Different angle: People who decide who looks like a cheater and take matters into their own hands:
Son, early 20s but flies frequently, was in line to board plane when some well-dressed gentleman behind him kept pushing and mumbling that Son was in the wrong line. Son ignored him, texting on his phone, until gentleman pulled his arm and told him to "go over there, this is boarding group 1." To which son replied, "What's a boarding group?" At that point, gentleman went ballistic and tried to forcefully push him out of the line, screaming at him. By then people started staring, waiting to see what would happen, gate attendant came over, son produced his boarding pass, and gate attendant declared loudly, "the young man is in boarding group 1." Gentleman had enough shame to slink away to the bathrooms.
BTW, Son knows what a boarding group is....
Son, early 20s but flies frequently, was in line to board plane when some well-dressed gentleman behind him kept pushing and mumbling that Son was in the wrong line. Son ignored him, texting on his phone, until gentleman pulled his arm and told him to "go over there, this is boarding group 1." To which son replied, "What's a boarding group?" At that point, gentleman went ballistic and tried to forcefully push him out of the line, screaming at him. By then people started staring, waiting to see what would happen, gate attendant came over, son produced his boarding pass, and gate attendant declared loudly, "the young man is in boarding group 1." Gentleman had enough shame to slink away to the bathrooms.
BTW, Son knows what a boarding group is....
#114
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They don't have to be booted off the flight, just re-zoned to after the last pre-assigned zone and allowed to board only after everyone else. Otherwise, there's no penalty for getting caught.
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We just flew out of FRA on UAL last week. First time I had seen this: The boarding numbers were on an upright bar with the headings: Group 1, Group 2 and so on to Group 5 (it was a 747). Everyone lined up in their appropriate lines. It was great. There wasn't that much space at the gate, either. But it worked.
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Different angle: People who decide who looks like a cheater and take matters into their own hands:
Son, early 20s but flies frequently, was in line to board plane when some well-dressed gentleman behind him kept pushing and mumbling that Son was in the wrong line. Son ignored him, texting on his phone, until gentleman pulled his arm and told him to "go over there, this is boarding group 1." To which son replied, "What's a boarding group?" At that point, gentleman went ballistic and tried to forcefully push him out of the line, screaming at him. By then people started staring, waiting to see what would happen, gate attendant came over, son produced his boarding pass, and gate attendant declared loudly, "the young man is in boarding group 1." Gentleman had enough shame to slink away to the bathrooms.
BTW, Son knows what a boarding group is....
Son, early 20s but flies frequently, was in line to board plane when some well-dressed gentleman behind him kept pushing and mumbling that Son was in the wrong line. Son ignored him, texting on his phone, until gentleman pulled his arm and told him to "go over there, this is boarding group 1." To which son replied, "What's a boarding group?" At that point, gentleman went ballistic and tried to forcefully push him out of the line, screaming at him. By then people started staring, waiting to see what would happen, gate attendant came over, son produced his boarding pass, and gate attendant declared loudly, "the young man is in boarding group 1." Gentleman had enough shame to slink away to the bathrooms.
BTW, Son knows what a boarding group is....
#117
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Actually, no patience involved here. His completely ignoring the initial complaints and pushing and then topping it off with "What's a boarding group?" really set the other person off. At least the "gentleman" was embarrassed....
#118
Join Date: Mar 2005
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I've been flying for 56 years and have never seen a GA stop anyone from boarding before their "time".
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There are two choices - either you award boarding priority on the basis of status and amount paid, or you do it on the basis of efficiency of the entire process. You cannot blend the two in a haphazard manner and still have a "reasonable" set of rules. The rules are either there to maximize efficiency, or they are there to maximize airline revenue and perks to the most loyal customers - which also has a long-term revenue maximizing effect. They can't do both simultaneously.
If we had a competitive society in reality, airlines that made the wrong decision would be out-competed by those that made better choices.
#120
Join Date: Jul 2009
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I was on an AA flight two years ago headed for MGA. My travel companion (no status for either of us) decided that she'd rather board with group 2 than 4 and left me and got through without being stopped. She wanted to make sure she got overhead space since she had a large carry-on (plus a large checked baggage). She felt it was no big deal (not that it matters, she's an attorney).

