767's
Jul 15, 2014 | 6:56 am
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Thanks again for answering my questions, everyone. I have enjoyed reading all the comments and am now totally de-stressed (instead of distressed) about this flight. I got a chuckle from 84fiero's Lindbergh photo and am comforted that there is someone who actually has the username ILUV767. I'm still bummed that my eastbound flight is on AA and not BA, especially since I got burned on the airfare from booking so late, but I guess in the big picture it's all good.
Jul 15, 2014 | 7:31 am
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For the OP, the 767 is MUCH bigger than the one on the right...
Great pic, though. Thanks for sharing!
Jul 15, 2014 | 8:58 am
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The BA001 and 003 flights LCY-JFK ALWAYS stop in SNN as the runway at LCY is too short for takeoff with a full tank. This has the added benefit of US preclearance there so arrival at JFK is at a domestic gate.
Jul 16, 2014 | 8:45 pm
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I had also though that the LCY->JFK flight made the technical/preclearance stop at SNN for fuel loading limits, but I also remember reading somewhere that there was another issue. LCY isn't a base for BA mainline, so the pilots actually report to work at LHR or LGW due to union rules and are shuttled to LCY, so they being their duty day too early to fly all the way to JFK.
Can anyone who's been on this flight confirm that there is a crew cockpit crew change at SNN?
Can anyone who's been on this flight confirm that there is a crew cockpit crew change at SNN?
Jul 17, 2014 | 7:50 am
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The 767 is an older plane than the 777. But it has an excellent safety record.
Prior to the 767, most aircraft that flew transatlantic were four engined. The 767 revolutionized long range twin engine operation, paving the way for later aircraft such as the A330, 777, 787. The 767-300ER has enough range to do west coast of the US to Europe, so flying it across the Atlantic isn't an issue.
Obviously, things vary based on how airlines decide on how to outfit the cabin, but I think that generally 767 is the comfiest airplane in economy class, which is a 2-3-2 seat arrangement - 85% of the seats are either aisle or window.
Prior to the 767, most aircraft that flew transatlantic were four engined. The 767 revolutionized long range twin engine operation, paving the way for later aircraft such as the A330, 777, 787. The 767-300ER has enough range to do west coast of the US to Europe, so flying it across the Atlantic isn't an issue.
Obviously, things vary based on how airlines decide on how to outfit the cabin, but I think that generally 767 is the comfiest airplane in economy class, which is a 2-3-2 seat arrangement - 85% of the seats are either aisle or window.
Jul 17, 2014 | 8:11 am
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Jul 17, 2014 | 8:23 am
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It's not really a technical stop.
Jul 17, 2014 | 8:52 am
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(I know the passengers get off, go through pre-clearance then get back on, but I believe passengers do not get off an SNN or board at SNN, so the do not load of offload passengers)
Jul 17, 2014 | 8:38 pm
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Why do I always get the broken seat and IFE tablet on AA 767's?!
Mind you, it's a consistent earner on points compensation as a result. I think I'm averaging ~10k points on each flight in compensation for something that isn't working on the sodding things. :-/
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Jul 21, 2014 | 2:27 am
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The A300 was the first ETOPS aircraft, but it was only certified for either 60 or 90 minutes(I can't remember which), which isn't useful. The A300 was never a significant trans-atlantic aircraft, but did become popular within Asia.
The 767 was first to be certified for 120mins ETOPS, which is what is necessary for viable trans-atlantic service. Later, 120+15% (138) was added to help handle the situation where diversion airports were closed due to weather.
A map of 60, 90, 120, and 138 minute ETOPS
Aug 5, 2014 | 4:54 pm
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Aug 6, 2014 | 1:39 am
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Aug 6, 2014 | 11:17 am
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back in 1982 or thereabouts, several of my co-workers started a caption contest for a similar photo that appeared on the cover of the internal Boeing phone book; it was a nose-on shot of a 747 and 737, facing in the same direction
the two winners were "Not tonight, dear, I have a headache" and "Daddy, when I grow up can I have four engines too?"