Middle manager upgraded ahead of senior VP, told to give seat to superior.
May 17, 2014, 1:59 pm
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If someone who worked for me got upgraded and I didn't it would never even occur to me to expect them to give it up for me. And if they did I would insist they keep their seat.
The OP's middle manager sounds like a real cow, quietly reminding the OP that, in the event an upgrade happens it goes to the boss?! Give me a break!
If someone who worked for me got upgraded and I didn't it would never even occur to me to expect them to give it up for me. And if they did I would insist they keep their seat.
The OP's middle manager sounds like a real cow, quietly reminding the OP that, in the event an upgrade happens it goes to the boss?! Give me a break!
With an emphasis on "middle" and not on "manager".
May 17, 2014, 2:36 pm
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^^ Reminds me of the fact that those who are used to money rarely flaunt it, those who come into money make sure everyone knows about it. All to do with upbringing, manners and the knowledge of doing the "right" thing.
May 17, 2014, 2:48 pm
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That is my opinion too ^. A huge chunk of my MQMs for status come from my TATLs which are my personal expense.
May 17, 2014, 3:26 pm
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If someone who worked for me got upgraded and I didn't it would never even occur to me to expect them to give it up for me. And if they did I would insist they keep their seat.
The OP's middle manager sounds like a real cow, quietly reminding the OP that, in the event an upgrade happens it goes to the boss?! Give me a break!
If someone who worked for me got upgraded and I didn't it would never even occur to me to expect them to give it up for me. And if they did I would insist they keep their seat.
The OP's middle manager sounds like a real cow, quietly reminding the OP that, in the event an upgrade happens it goes to the boss?! Give me a break!
May 17, 2014, 3:36 pm
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My boss, and even my CEO would not have expected this.
In fact they would think I was trying to kiss assss if I did.
In fact they would think I was trying to kiss assss if I did.
May 17, 2014, 3:44 pm
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I'm surprised she accepted your offer. I'd be embarrassed if I were her.
May 17, 2014, 5:28 pm
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Screw that ... there is a simple solution; Take your name off the upgrade list. The upper management can !@#$% fend for themselves.
May 17, 2014, 5:43 pm
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Middle manager ahead of senior VP list told to give seat to superior
This made me throw up in my mouth a little.
May 17, 2014, 5:44 pm
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May 17, 2014, 6:11 pm
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Middle manager ahead of senior VP list told to give seat to superior
Wow! Your status and upgrades whether earned by biz travel or personal travel or credit cards is yours - I think it was wrong for you to be told to give it up - this had nothing to do with the company and executive privilege otherwise the executive would be on a paid first ticket. If you said no would you have been reported to HR for insubordination? Me thinks no as this isn't an HR or travel policy but about egos. This seems to be about your boss getting points
I'm surprised that all three reporting lines flew together as it is a risk mgmt issue at my firm
You are better than me, I would have said no
I'm surprised that all three reporting lines flew together as it is a risk mgmt issue at my firm
You are better than me, I would have said no
May 17, 2014, 6:47 pm
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Now what would have happened if the OP simply disappeared from the gate area until the last minute, AFTER the capo del tutti capi had already boarded?
May 17, 2014, 7:13 pm
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Well, I can't say I have any experience in this situation as I am not high enough a manager to have real experience as a VP, and I have never traveled as a group for work.
However, from what management experience and skills I have had so far, the last thing I would do as a VP is take a junior's upgrade, and especially if they earned it because they were doing more actual legwork flying. Heck, I would be more likely to give up my upgrade to a more junior worker as an appreciation factor. Heck, I HAVE used miles to upgrade a couple of employees that I have had to send for training simply as appreciation of them giving up their free time (my employees dont work 24 hours at home) to attend.
maybe that is why I am not a VP, but if that's the case, then I am glad I am not.
However, from what management experience and skills I have had so far, the last thing I would do as a VP is take a junior's upgrade, and especially if they earned it because they were doing more actual legwork flying. Heck, I would be more likely to give up my upgrade to a more junior worker as an appreciation factor. Heck, I HAVE used miles to upgrade a couple of employees that I have had to send for training simply as appreciation of them giving up their free time (my employees dont work 24 hours at home) to attend.
maybe that is why I am not a VP, but if that's the case, then I am glad I am not.
May 17, 2014, 7:24 pm
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Expecting to get your upgrade makes your VP a total sleazebag. Ordering you to give it up makes your manager a toady.
May 17, 2014, 8:16 pm
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May 18, 2014, 6:33 am
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OP:
As a public service, please post the ticker symbol of the company involved, so I (and others) can short their stock. Bad management almost always leads to bad results.
As a public service, please post the ticker symbol of the company involved, so I (and others) can short their stock. Bad management almost always leads to bad results.