Boeing vs Airbus

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Jul 4, 2013 | 9:00 am
  #1  
More 787 problems.

Do you this effects the decisions of future purchases of Boeing metal vs Airbus?

Do yo think there are any basic differences between the planes made by these 2 companies? - European cars are usually different from American ones
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Jul 4, 2013 | 11:53 am
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Boeing vs Airbus
It's a new plane. I don't think it will change business patterns.
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Jul 4, 2013 | 11:53 am
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Boeing vs Airbus
There is a saying:
If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going
YMMV
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Jul 4, 2013 | 11:57 am
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There were serious A380 problems in the introductory phase too. If you look way back to the 1960s, there were serious problems with the Boeing 727 at first -- the high tail and rear-mounted engines meant it presented pilots with new and unfamiliar flying characteristics, and there were several crashes. But the 727 went on to become a workhorse for 25-30 years.

I'm sure the 787 will overcome its problems. It represents a lot of new technology and assembly procedures. Launch issues were to be expected.

Boeing and Airbus both source subassemblies from contractors around the world, so there is no integral quality difference between the two products. Design philosophy, yes; quality and reliability, no.
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Jul 4, 2013 | 12:21 pm
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Quote: There is a saying:
If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going
YMMV
If it's Boeing, I ain't going
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Jul 4, 2013 | 1:11 pm
  #6  
Boeing vs Airbus
Have you considered the a380 wing rub repair issue? Every plane has its problems no matter it's Boeing or Airbus.

Do you really think when A350 comes into service, it will not have any issues?
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Jul 4, 2013 | 1:22 pm
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ANA reported 21% fuel consumption efficiency over the 767 on their routes it replaced. If I'm a CFO, I'd take the teething problems as still place more orders.
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Jul 4, 2013 | 2:28 pm
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Quote: There is a saying:
If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going
YMMV
a joke good 40 years ago.
Now you risk to take your word.
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Jul 4, 2013 | 3:28 pm
  #9  
Quote: There is a saying:
If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going
YMMV
Quote: If it's Boeing, I ain't going
If it's Boeing, it ain't going.
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Jul 4, 2013 | 4:22 pm
  #10  
Quote: Have you considered the a380 wing rub repair issue? Every plane has its problems no matter it's Boeing or Airbus.

Do you really think when A350 comes into service, it will not have any issues?
Which helps to define my approach. I avoid new aircraft for the first couple years of service.

Just too many unknowns.
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Jul 4, 2013 | 8:46 pm
  #11  
Quote: Have you considered the a380 wing rub repair issue? Every plane has its problems no matter it's Boeing or Airbus.

Do you really think when A350 comes into service, it will not have any issues?
The a380 was dealt with far less dramatically than the 787.

The a380 had some minor hiccups exacerbated by American Europhobia. The dreamliner has experienced a PR disaster.
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Jul 4, 2013 | 8:52 pm
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Quote: The a380 was dealt with far less dramatically than the 787.

The a380 had some minor hiccups exacerbated by American Europhobia. The dreamliner has experienced a PR disaster.
One of the first A380 wing rib repair jobs is about to start in China. It is scheduled for a six MONTH hangar visit, with a hope to reduce that on future visits to 3-4 months. Minor issue? YMMV.
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Jul 5, 2013 | 12:28 am
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Quote: One of the first A380 wing rib repair jobs is about to start in China. It is scheduled for a six MONTH hangar visit, with a hope to reduce that on future visits to 3-4 months. Minor issue? YMMV.
8 weeks per aircraft according to EK a couple of months ago.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...epairs-385948/
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Jul 5, 2013 | 12:41 am
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It it is a 787, may not be going. Just kidding I prefer Boeing any day. I am sure the 787 issues will be resolved.
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Jul 5, 2013 | 2:27 am
  #15  
Quote: More 787 problems.

Do you this effects the decisions of future purchases of Boeing metal vs Airbus?
Yes, because more problems with the 787 makes customers ask for bigger discounts, which in turn puts a price pressure on Airbus, and one of the two will have the better offer.

Quote: Do yo think there are any basic differences between the planes made by these 2 companies?
The differences are pretty small from a pax perspective. When it comes to comfort, it's largely determined by the airline, since they are the ones who choose how to fit the interior, it has nothing to do with avionics, fuel efficiency, engines, etc. The one significant difference is the noise - long haul Airbus planes are much quieter than Boeings.
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