A Modest Proposal
Jun 30, 2013 | 3:19 pm
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If they get rid of economy and make it all economy-plus are you willing to pay for it? Everything is market-driven, if everybody objected to economy and didn't pay to fly it, things would change.
Most aren't willing to pay more and prefer to, or can only, pay the lowest cost possible. Most people seem perfectly content in economy, so I think your view if it is the exception.
I hate flying in economy, so I pay not to.
Most aren't willing to pay more and prefer to, or can only, pay the lowest cost possible. Most people seem perfectly content in economy, so I think your view if it is the exception.
I hate flying in economy, so I pay not to.
Jun 30, 2013 | 3:23 pm
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Jun 30, 2013 | 3:26 pm
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Jun 30, 2013 | 3:26 pm
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Very witty. Maybe some of those replying should read this.
Jun 30, 2013 | 3:28 pm
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I propose that airlines offer water bottle filling stations and ice dispensers like they do at airports. Even better why not offer soda machines in the galley's along with self-serve coffee or even self-serve cans setup in a galley like area. You could put snacks there too.
On international flights when I'm hungry I go over there and find it much better than waiting for a flight attendant. I take a few of the orange juice filled cups and it works well. They could have cookies, nuts and other snacks available on flights of 2 hours and more.
If I were designing an airplane there would be self-service stations throughout the Y cabin with an area that allow passengers to stretch their legs.
On short flights if I'm not given water so be it I always have my trusty water bottle filled up at the airport before I fly and sip on the cold ice water.
On international flights when I'm hungry I go over there and find it much better than waiting for a flight attendant. I take a few of the orange juice filled cups and it works well. They could have cookies, nuts and other snacks available on flights of 2 hours and more.
If I were designing an airplane there would be self-service stations throughout the Y cabin with an area that allow passengers to stretch their legs.
On short flights if I'm not given water so be it I always have my trusty water bottle filled up at the airport before I fly and sip on the cold ice water.
Self-service stations need to be located where the current leg-stretching areas are: in the gate area, where they will not impact revenue potential.
I don't remember which airline, it may have been America West, used to have a large cooler bin at the end of the gateway/near the boarding door where you picked up your 'meal bag' as you boarded. They only catered and served beverages on the flight. IIRC, they didn't even have beverage carts (saves weight), they took orders and served a couple rows at a time off trays. (Doesn't WN also have this kind of beverage service?)
Jun 30, 2013 | 3:34 pm
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[QUOTE=chollie;21017537] IIRC, they didn't even have beverage carts (saves weight), they took orders and served a couple rows at a time off trays. (Doesn't WN also have this kind of beverage service?)[/QUOTE]
Yes I think they do. Beverage carts and (my real bug bear on Internationals DUTY FREE CARTS) are quite heavy.
Yes I think they do. Beverage carts and (my real bug bear on Internationals DUTY FREE CARTS) are quite heavy.
Jun 30, 2013 | 5:29 pm
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As many of you know, the economy class in any airplane is used to accommodate passengers traveling on the cheapest class of ticket, and offer only the most basic amenities, typically with limited toilet use, no privacy, and poor food.
For example, the 303 economy passengers crowded into the cabin of so elegant and roomy an aircraft as the Airbus A380, of British Airways, are positively packed like cattle, making a walk in the aisles when the air is smooth, absolutely impossible, while to breathe clean air seated in turbulence, when seated in 42E is an equal impossibility. The stenches become unbearable, and many of the passengers have to be forced into their seats; for they prefer the nausea and danger of turbulence to the cramps while seated. The division between the sexes is not carefully looked after, and the young women who are quartered among the old sketchy businessmen have neither the privacy to which they are entitled nor are they much more protected than if they were living promiscuously.
The food, which is miserable, is dealt out of beaten-up carts into mass-produced plastic trays provided by the airline. When it is distributed, the more annoying passengers push and crowd, so that meals are anything but orderly procedures. On the whole, economy class in the modern airliner ought to be condemned as unfit for the transportation of human beings. Take for example, premium economy which costs about twice as much as economy and sometimes not twice so much; yet a premium economy seat on the British Airways Airbus A380 has twice as much room, much more recline and is better protected against the scourges of DVT. Eight sit in a comfortable row, which is well and comfortably furnished; while in economy 10 tiny seats in crammed in each 31 inch section, one after the other, with little light and no comforts. In premium economy the food is excellent, is partaken of with actual silverware, is well cooked and well served; while in the economy the unsavory rations are not served, but doled out, with less courtesy than one would find in a charity soup kitchen.
Economy class ought to be and could be abolished by law. On many airlines, even drinking water is grudgingly given, and on United, several years ago, we had literally to steal water for economy class from economy plus, and that of course while the FAs are gossiping in the gallery. On many journeys, particularly on the ilks of Ryanair, the bread was absolutely uneatable, and was thrown into the trash by the irate travelers.
For example, the 303 economy passengers crowded into the cabin of so elegant and roomy an aircraft as the Airbus A380, of British Airways, are positively packed like cattle, making a walk in the aisles when the air is smooth, absolutely impossible, while to breathe clean air seated in turbulence, when seated in 42E is an equal impossibility. The stenches become unbearable, and many of the passengers have to be forced into their seats; for they prefer the nausea and danger of turbulence to the cramps while seated. The division between the sexes is not carefully looked after, and the young women who are quartered among the old sketchy businessmen have neither the privacy to which they are entitled nor are they much more protected than if they were living promiscuously.
The food, which is miserable, is dealt out of beaten-up carts into mass-produced plastic trays provided by the airline. When it is distributed, the more annoying passengers push and crowd, so that meals are anything but orderly procedures. On the whole, economy class in the modern airliner ought to be condemned as unfit for the transportation of human beings. Take for example, premium economy which costs about twice as much as economy and sometimes not twice so much; yet a premium economy seat on the British Airways Airbus A380 has twice as much room, much more recline and is better protected against the scourges of DVT. Eight sit in a comfortable row, which is well and comfortably furnished; while in economy 10 tiny seats in crammed in each 31 inch section, one after the other, with little light and no comforts. In premium economy the food is excellent, is partaken of with actual silverware, is well cooked and well served; while in the economy the unsavory rations are not served, but doled out, with less courtesy than one would find in a charity soup kitchen.
Economy class ought to be and could be abolished by law. On many airlines, even drinking water is grudgingly given, and on United, several years ago, we had literally to steal water for economy class from economy plus, and that of course while the FAs are gossiping in the gallery. On many journeys, particularly on the ilks of Ryanair, the bread was absolutely uneatable, and was thrown into the trash by the irate travelers.
Jun 30, 2013 | 6:35 pm
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The OP whole post has to be satire - or as we would say in Britain - a wind-up. It is absolutely full of Hyperbole.
e.g. Quote " making a walk in the aisles when the air is smooth, absolutely impossible" I think a grossly obese person may struggle - but "absolutely impossible" is definite hyperbole.
e.g. Quote " making a walk in the aisles when the air is smooth, absolutely impossible" I think a grossly obese person may struggle - but "absolutely impossible" is definite hyperbole.
Jun 30, 2013 | 8:04 pm
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I don't think "economy class" should be abolished, if that even meant anything, but I wouldn't be opposed to the government setting minimum standards for seat pitch and width, access to water and lavatories, and so on. People sitting in seats that are so small that they cause back injuries and not remaining properly hydrated is a public health hazard.
Jun 30, 2013 | 8:13 pm
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