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Anyone that thinks the delays are 'no big deal' and 'people shouldn't get aggravated' needs to wait with their opinion until they themselves have sat in an airport 8 to 12 hours and until they have their own business disrupted and have business deals screwed up due to delays.
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I've got a question for you guys regarding the sequester.
This coming weekend I have 4 flights, LGB -> LAS (B9), LAS -> SNA (FL) and then LAX -> SFO (WN) and SFO -> LAX (VX). The time between SNA and LAX flights is several hours, and usually I would not be concerned getting there for a WN flight. Now because of the sequester I'm a bit nervous (but not losing sleep over it). If, due to the sequester delays are to happen that force either my plane to be delayed into SNA, or security is ridiculous at LAX and I miss my flight out, what recourse do I have? Searched, but haven't seen much on this yet. I'm assuming this would be handled differently than if I just slept through my alarm, since it's (security, the sequester) is beyond my control. |
One thing I've been curious about- what happens on the border? For example, if cuts happen at SEA, does that affect any traffic out of YVR?
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Even if they could reduce ATC delays to a bare minimum, due to sequester, why should they? It would only prove that they could get by with few Air Traffic Controllers. Ditto for TSA. No employer (particularly a gov't agency) would ever admit that they have more employees than they really need.:D
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It's obviously not hard to find anecdotal stories of woe when it comes to air travel. I mean, everyday there are tens of thousands of flights, so somebody is going to suffer a ridiculous delay. What I'm interested in is the overall delay stats which, I guess, are most easily measured in the ontime performance of the major airlines. Is somebody keeping close daily track of that here? On-time stats for particular airports would also be helpful as we could see where the real staffing problems are (and know which airports are particularly risky to fly to right now).
From a traveler standpoint, what worries me most here is making a flight connection. Given a choice, I think I'd prefer nonstop flights for the next couple of weeks until they resolve this. |
Originally Posted by jamar
(Post 20637122)
One thing I've been curious about- what happens on the border? For example, if cuts happen at SEA, does that affect any traffic out of YVR?
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Originally Posted by iahphx
(Post 20637965)
Is somebody keeping close daily track of that here? On-time stats for particular airports would also be helpful as we could see where the real staffing problems are (and know which airports are particularly risky to fly to right now).
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Originally Posted by l'etoile
(Post 20638017)
It's changing on a daily basis. For example, I believe, Chicago Center had good staffing the first two days, but not today (I think it's Chicago Center). A high-altitude North Atlantic oceanic sector was closed one day so far, but open the next. Today some routes to the Caribbean will be closed though there was staffing to have them open previous days. Staffing is not constant at any given facility so the delays will not be that predictable. It's also not just an issue of airports, but center staffing that could lead to planes needing to be further in trail.
My guess is that, somehow, this is all resolved in the next 2 weeks or so. Either the FAA will "figure out" how to adjust to the lower staffing, or the politicians will intervene. While only a small percentage of the American public flies regularly, it's the "opinion leaders" and decision makers who fly all the time. If delays mount, Congress and the White House will figure out some sort of stop-gap solution to this self-inflicted wound. In the meantime, I hope I make my connection on Friday. :) |
Originally Posted by iahphx
(Post 20638120)
Well, that seems odd -- but of course this whole thing is odd. I mean, this isn't like a sick-out: while they're reducing staffing, they should be able to spread the people around in a consistent way.
Meanwhile the whole system is interconnected. Where one facility may have good staffing, a facility they hand planes off to may be short and may require more spacing, creating a domino effect. |
Originally Posted by iahphx
(Post 20638120)
Well, that seems odd -- but of course this whole thing is odd. I mean, this isn't like a sick-out: while they're reducing staffing, they should be able to spread the people around in a consistent way.
What they could do, though, is to make more cuts at lesser-used facilities (make more cuts at CVG than ATL, for example) to balance out the system. My guess is that, somehow, this is all resolved in the next 2 weeks or so. Either the FAA will "figure out" how to adjust to the lower staffing, or the politicians will intervene. While only a small percentage of the American public flies regularly, it's the "opinion leaders" and decision makers who fly all the time. If delays mount, Congress and the White House will figure out some sort of stop-gap solution to this self-inflicted wound. In the meantime, I hope I make my connection on Friday. :) |
Originally Posted by PainCorp
(Post 20636855)
I've got a question for you guys regarding the sequester.
This coming weekend I have 4 flights, LGB -> LAS (B9), LAS -> SNA (FL) and then LAX -> SFO (WN) and SFO -> LAX (VX). The time between SNA and LAX flights is several hours, and usually I would not be concerned getting there for a WN flight. Now because of the sequester I'm a bit nervous (but not losing sleep over it). If, due to the sequester delays are to happen that force either my plane to be delayed into SNA, or security is ridiculous at LAX and I miss my flight out, what recourse do I have? Searched, but haven't seen much on this yet. I'm assuming this would be handled differently than if I just slept through my alarm, since it's (security, the sequester) is beyond my control. |
STL - LGA tonight, 40 to 60 minutes late departing. Not sure about cause, it might be partially due to weather. Just announced flow delay into LGA. It will be more than an hour late possibly.
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
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STL - LGA tonight, 40 to 60 minutes late departing. Not sure about cause, it might be partially due to weather. Just announced flow delay into LGA. It will be more than an hour late possibly.
NEW YORK (J.F. KENNEDY) 82 Minutes STAFFING NEW YORK (LA GUARDIA) 115 Minutes STAFFING NEW YORK (NEWARK LIBERTY) 115 Minutes STAFFING WASHINGTON (NATIONAL) 73 Minutes STAFFING |
Crystal ball says LA Center is going to have problems tomorrow.
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Todays editorial in WSJ titled "Flight delays as Political strategy" notes other areas to cut besides the air traffic controllers. (They need to reduce spending by 600 million)
500 million to consultants 325 million for supplies and travel Or how about these items from the DOT: 474 million grant program to make communities more livable and sustainable unknown amount for Women in Transportation History online exhibit. |
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