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I haven't been making a point to avoid them, since I don't think any have been the most convenient option on any route I have flown, but I am certainly not going to go out of my way to get on one.
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Very much looking forward to 2 upcoming ANA Dreamliner flights [PEK-NRT, NRT-SJC] in biz. Tried snagging LAX-PVG on UA but can't connect same day (miles booking). Seems DEN-NRT is even harder to find seats.
While I appreciate the wariness expressed here, I remain optimistic. |
Originally Posted by fevercity
(Post 21409756)
While I appreciate the wariness expressed here, I remain optimistic.
Separately, @Black Adder, if you'd like to speak for sbm12, what difference does it make if Delta delayed the 787 early, not wanting to be on the bleeding edge, apparently with vision and an abundance of caution, and has been proved prescient? I think that that was the reason for the first blogger's syntax when noting it. Also separately, the Seattle Times just reported in its Boeing Digest today that Boeing, apparently optimistic about what it's seen with the 787, is testing composite wings on the 777X. But maybe this isn't news either. http://seattletimes.com/html/boeingaerospace/ (...A fun email subscription for those interested in suchlike, if watchers here don't already subscribe.) |
The 787-9 debuts...
http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...flightxml.html How will Boeing project it? New product or "New package, same beloved product"? Bloggers, have you received the drop yet? |
A partial answer to the above question, the above article is now updated to a much-fuller, glowing, post-flight account, with more tendentious verbiage. On reading the article, full of substantiation for its "fresh start" theme (the author has a job to keep) one wonders, and this is not meant to be rhetorical:
Why did Boeing even bother with the 787-8 model? We get much valuable stuff from Mr. Gates, so it's probably worth it to take the wheat with the "chuff". For the rest of the answer, cue the bloggers. |
Originally Posted by Firewind
(Post 21463993)
Why did Boeing even bother with the 787-8 model?
United 767-300ER J: 30 Flat Bed Y+: 49 Y: 135 Total of 214 United 767-400ER J: 39 Flat Bed Y+: 70 Y: 133 Total of 242 United 787-8 J:36 Flat Bed Y+:70 Y:113 Total of 219 The 788 fits between the 763 and 764, making it the perfect 767 replacement for most carriers at less operating costs, but allowing for longer routes and or more cargo. |
Norwegian's, LOT's reliability doubts
Norwegian's, LOT's reliability doubts...
http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...wegianxml.html [EDITED: Article modified by the author 27 Sept. at 10:11am] Norwegian Air CEO goes public with complaints ... Boeing sets up a mission in Norway ... Consultant uses "teething" word ... Says problems may be due to "punishing" workload. The airline is concerned about the overall reliability of the 787, Norwegian Air fleet director Tore Jenssen said in advance of the meeting with Boeing. “If you look at the other 787 customers, most of them have technical problems too,” Jenssen said. “It’s a performance-reliability problem and a quality issue from Boeing.” |
The above initiative notwithstanding...
...The daily feed brings more "teething" on Boeing by the airlines:
http://seattletimes.com/html/boeinga...reamliner.html Norwegian Air escalates... In the meantime, the Scandinavian low-cost carrier will lease an Airbus A340 to fly on its two new long-haul destinations between Stockholm, Sweden, and New York and Bangkok. In an email, Boeing said it had agreed to "implement a number of enhancements to improve the airplane's in-service reliability," and that the jet would be out of service for "a matter of days." |
9.28.13 - Reuters
Hopefully, the A340 can better withstand the punishing workload.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...,3457388.story Norwegian launched long-haul operations this year and hoped to capitalize on Dreamliner's lower operating cost as the jet's lighter-weight engines promised a 20 percent savings on fuel. But its first two Dreamliners, part of a planned fleet of eight, broke down over half a dozen times in September, forcing it to lease back-up planes on short notice or cancel flights. |
another diversion, grounding
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...29-700573.html
Boeing Co. (BA) 787 Dreamliner jet operated by LOT Polish Airlines on route from Toronto to Warsaw landed in Iceland Sunday after Norway refused entry into its airspace due to a malfunctioning of the onboard identification system, a LOT spokeswoman said. one of Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA's (NAS.OS) 787 jets was grounded in Bangkok due to technical problems, adding to a range of recent mishaps with the planes |
From the Seattle Times' 25/27 Sept. article:
They agreed to put up spare-part stocks at destinations we fly to,” Kjos told Reuters. “And they’ll send a dedicated team of experts to Norwegian so if there’s a problem popping up, they can immediately solve it.” |
This is where (lack of) confidence matters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9950KP20131007 What we say here is just blah blah blah by comparison. |
Did you feel it?
...the ripple:
http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...panairbus.html http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...ingjalxml.html ETA: AP's take... http://seattletimes.com/html/boeinga...inercrash.html Did you feel it? |
I flew ANA 787 SJC-NRT in biz class last month. I must say it was a very pleasant flight. The pressure and humidity control are outstanding. I usually end up with nose issues (as I did on UA NRT-IAH a week later.), but not on 787. And of course I can't say enough about the service from ANA.
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"Bair, architect of 787 program, retiring from Boeing" ...fairly quickly.
http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...ngbairxml.html This after the top 787 executive was recently transferred. What a long strange trip the article chronicles. Meanwhile, OT, another report says that ANA is likely to stay with Boeing for the 777, counter to JAL's recent move toward Airbus... http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...gjapanxml.html |
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