Airships
#1
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Airships
I was reading a blog earlier today and came across this article:
http://tweedlandthegentlemansclub.bl...indenburg.html
I couldn't help but wonder at how amazing it would be to travel around the world in what is essentially a "flying cruise ship". From what I've gathered it would also be quite safe as airships are now filled with helium (non-flammable) instead of hydrogen. Solar energy could also be used to propel the airship giving it a virtually unlimited range.
Anyone knows why the concept has never caught on? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would like to fly in one of those...
http://tweedlandthegentlemansclub.bl...indenburg.html
I couldn't help but wonder at how amazing it would be to travel around the world in what is essentially a "flying cruise ship". From what I've gathered it would also be quite safe as airships are now filled with helium (non-flammable) instead of hydrogen. Solar energy could also be used to propel the airship giving it a virtually unlimited range.
Anyone knows why the concept has never caught on? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would like to fly in one of those...
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Require lots of crew members. And they were very expensive when they were around, think F tickets at today's prices.
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This is worth reading:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/8...-of-fancy.html
I recall reading a German company was developing a passenger zeppelin.
Note the swatistika above NYC - quite unreal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/8...-of-fancy.html
I recall reading a German company was developing a passenger zeppelin.
Note the swatistika above NYC - quite unreal.
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There is world shortage of helium right now, so probably not financially viable. Mrs Roberino asked me if this was due to one Herr Baumgartner.
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I understand that speed would be an issue if your goal is to get from point A to point B as fast as possible but it would also be an advantage for sky cruises. Imagine sitting in a gourmet restaurant aboard the airship, slowly flying above the rocky mountains and being able to admire the scenery through floor to ceiling windows.
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I understand that speed would be an issue if your goal is to get from point A to point B as fast as possible but it would also be an advantage for sky cruises. Imagine sitting in a gourmet restaurant aboard the airship, slowly flying above the rocky mountains and being able to admire the scenery through floor to ceiling windows.
I'm not sure what an ideal itinerary for it would be. I wonder if operating at 15,000-20,000 feet over the Rockies would be possible... Maybe somewhere in Europe? It just feels like something that would work better in Europe than the U.S.... More cities and other sites that are both interesting to view from the air and reasonably close together to make this possible...
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A couple of problems.....
1. Back in the dirigible days, weather/weather related turbulence proved a far greater problem than the hydrogen/helium issue.
2. High altitude? Airships would be limited to relatively low altitudes, below Angels 10, because of oxygen levels. Trying to build a large enough passenger/control space capable of pressurization would be essentially impossible (imagine the size dirigible needed to lift a 747 hull plus powerplants, fuel, plus beer, wine and whisk(e)y for long hops), and building a frame large enough to contain gas cells expanding at high altitudes would be equally impossible
1. Back in the dirigible days, weather/weather related turbulence proved a far greater problem than the hydrogen/helium issue.
2. High altitude? Airships would be limited to relatively low altitudes, below Angels 10, because of oxygen levels. Trying to build a large enough passenger/control space capable of pressurization would be essentially impossible (imagine the size dirigible needed to lift a 747 hull plus powerplants, fuel, plus beer, wine and whisk(e)y for long hops), and building a frame large enough to contain gas cells expanding at high altitudes would be equally impossible
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This is worth reading:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/8...-of-fancy.html
I recall reading a German company was developing a passenger zeppelin.
Note the swatistika above NYC - quite unreal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/8...-of-fancy.html
I recall reading a German company was developing a passenger zeppelin.
Note the swatistika above NYC - quite unreal.
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Airship Ventures was operating in California for the past few years, both from the San Francisco and Long Beach areas. They closed up shop recently.
MOFFETT FIELD, Calif., November 14, 2012 – Airship Ventures, operators of the world’s largest passenger airship, the Zeppelin Eureka, have announced today that despite history-making successes and a stellar performance and safety record, they will be ceasing operations immediately.
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People have been touting the return of the airship for decades now.
In reality, it is actually very difficult to compete with airplanes on convenience. They're fast, flexible, and very reliable under almost all weather conditions. For anything less than a TCON flight, I have no problems sitting in an airplane seat (even in Y). For a TCON flight, it would take an airship something like 40-50 hours to make the trip. More comfortable? Probably. Just as expensive as F-class? Probably as well. Incredibly slow? You bet. This problem is only magnified as the distance increases. Few people would actually be willing to spend that much time in the air, even for more comfort.
Others tout the use of airships as cargo movers—hauling standardized containers between continents. Until these airships can compete on cost with large cargo ships (which are very cheap), there won't be much advantage over the status quo. Furthermore, you simply can't compete with air freight on speed and flexibility.
The past century or so has seen significant investments in aircraft-related infrastructure. Almost every city in the world has relatively convenient access to an airport. Where will these airships go? They'll certainly clog up the already busy airspace above large cities.
So there we go—no market and no real advantages. Plus, you'll be completely at the mercy of the wind.
In reality, it is actually very difficult to compete with airplanes on convenience. They're fast, flexible, and very reliable under almost all weather conditions. For anything less than a TCON flight, I have no problems sitting in an airplane seat (even in Y). For a TCON flight, it would take an airship something like 40-50 hours to make the trip. More comfortable? Probably. Just as expensive as F-class? Probably as well. Incredibly slow? You bet. This problem is only magnified as the distance increases. Few people would actually be willing to spend that much time in the air, even for more comfort.
Others tout the use of airships as cargo movers—hauling standardized containers between continents. Until these airships can compete on cost with large cargo ships (which are very cheap), there won't be much advantage over the status quo. Furthermore, you simply can't compete with air freight on speed and flexibility.
The past century or so has seen significant investments in aircraft-related infrastructure. Almost every city in the world has relatively convenient access to an airport. Where will these airships go? They'll certainly clog up the already busy airspace above large cities.
So there we go—no market and no real advantages. Plus, you'll be completely at the mercy of the wind.
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This:
and this:
...pretty much sum up the chances of ever seeing airship tourism ever, uh, getting off the ground. It's a romantic notion but one that'll have to wait for a billionaire who is really into steampunk before it ever happens again.
Airship Ventures was operating in California for the past few years, both from the San Francisco and Long Beach areas. They closed up shop recently.
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Others tout the use of airships as cargo movers—hauling standardized containers between continents. Until these airships can compete on cost with large cargo ships (which are very cheap), there won't be much advantage over the status quo. Furthermore, you simply can't compete with air freight on speed and flexibility.
That was the intended business model of the CargoLifter project. Which ran out of money a few years ago.
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some people i knew were working on an airship to traverse from just east of the urals to the east coast of russia carring very heavy loads.it did use hydrogen gas. it had no crew aboard. summer is impassable in mid russia because it turns to mud and floods. they gave up because dealing with russia made the task an impossibility.
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Companies like Aeroscraft are actively developing cargo airships that they feel will introduce an intermediate between ships and airplanes. I personally don't see the point (and the project does look a bit like a stretch—see those vertical takeoff engines?) but they're certainly in development.