Bathroom Ethics
#17


Join Date: Oct 2012
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Not to throw a wrench in things, but...
As a Y passenger I absolutely will use the F lav under the following circumstances...
1. FA never mentioned line about using your own cabin's lav
2. Curtain has not been pulled shut
3. I'm in EC (or first few rows) with Y lav occupied (esp if lined up)
I'm not going to walk the full length of the plane to stand in line when the F lav is unoccupied. If it were the middle of the night on a long flight, I would be more hesitant to use F lav.
I would never want to wake an F passenger who rightfully deserves a bit more privacy.
As a Y passenger I absolutely will use the F lav under the following circumstances...
1. FA never mentioned line about using your own cabin's lav
2. Curtain has not been pulled shut
3. I'm in EC (or first few rows) with Y lav occupied (esp if lined up)
I'm not going to walk the full length of the plane to stand in line when the F lav is unoccupied. If it were the middle of the night on a long flight, I would be more hesitant to use F lav.
I would never want to wake an F passenger who rightfully deserves a bit more privacy.
Hmmm. I opened up this thread thinking the discussion was going to be about the ethics regarding going #1 or #2 in the aircraft lav. 
I'll use the F lav if the aisle to the lavs in Y behind me is blocked with the service cart during drink service. If the F/As have the aisle blocked, then I'm not going to go make them move the cart back and forth while I try to squeeze into the seats on the side of the aisle to allow the cart to pass.

I'll use the F lav if the aisle to the lavs in Y behind me is blocked with the service cart during drink service. If the F/As have the aisle blocked, then I'm not going to go make them move the cart back and forth while I try to squeeze into the seats on the side of the aisle to allow the cart to pass.
HOWEVER... On a flight from TUS-PDX a few weeks ago I was sitting in 6A (bulkhead, don't remember the equipment) on an DL code share on AS metal and the aisle was blocked due to drink service.
I politely asked (since she had just done my row and could easily have backed up a few feet) if I could get by to use the restroom aft of the main cabin...
Lo and behold, she goes "There is a restroom in the front of the plane!" Very nicely of course... And the whole flight the curtain wasn't pulled either so I risked it...
Never had an FA tell me to use the F bathroom while I was seated in Y..
#21




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I've been told to use the F lav on domestic flights when sitting near the front and the carts are in the aisle. Also, by the way, I think one of the reasons they are strict about it has nothing to do with F pax comfort...especially on domestic upgrade class...it is, rather, about security. I think they like to keep people away from the cockpit. Sorry to all of those who think that they are being protected for being very fancy medallions flying on T fares....but its probably not about us. In BE its another story, which is why those curtains are often not just pulled put snapped shut so that you its more difficult to get by.
#22
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I've been told to use the F lav on domestic flights when sitting near the front and the carts are in the aisle. Also, by the way, I think one of the reasons they are strict about it has nothing to do with F pax comfort...especially on domestic upgrade class...it is, rather, about security. I think they like to keep people away from the cockpit. Sorry to all of those who think that they are being protected for being very fancy medallions flying on T fares....but its probably not about us. In BE its another story, which is why those curtains are often not just pulled put snapped shut so that you its more difficult to get by.
#23


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Agreed, but the FAs also react aggressively when even ONE FC passenger loiters up front waiting to use the lav. Doesn't matter what cabin the loiterer comes from. When the "occupied" light is on, you're supposed to stay seated until it's available.
Then there's a little reverse-musical-chairs dance to see who among the seated ones gets to use it next. The most successful ones listen for the flush, then time their rise and first step to coincide with the opening lav door. Too soon, and you become a loiterer. Too late and somebody else listening for the flush is going to sleaze in ahead of you.
Then there's a little reverse-musical-chairs dance to see who among the seated ones gets to use it next. The most successful ones listen for the flush, then time their rise and first step to coincide with the opening lav door. Too soon, and you become a loiterer. Too late and somebody else listening for the flush is going to sleaze in ahead of you.
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I've been able to push the curtain back enough to enter the Lav without trespassing to Y.
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What an enticing subject, I know!
I was flying DL ATL-JAX in Y towards the front of the cabin yesterday and saw something that raised a question for me. With the first-class lavatory occupied, a passenger in F got up and immediately walked past the curtain to the bathroom at the front of the coach cabin and used the lavatory nominally assigned to coach.
Of course, it's not kosher for a lowly Y passenger to walk through the curtain and use the lavatory in first. But is it any more appropriate for a F passenger to do the opposite?
I was flying DL ATL-JAX in Y towards the front of the cabin yesterday and saw something that raised a question for me. With the first-class lavatory occupied, a passenger in F got up and immediately walked past the curtain to the bathroom at the front of the coach cabin and used the lavatory nominally assigned to coach.
Of course, it's not kosher for a lowly Y passenger to walk through the curtain and use the lavatory in first. But is it any more appropriate for a F passenger to do the opposite?
#28
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Agreed, but the FAs also react aggressively when even ONE FC passenger loiters up front waiting to use the lav. Doesn't matter what cabin the loiterer comes from. When the "occupied" light is on, you're supposed to stay seated until it's available.
Then there's a little reverse-musical-chairs dance to see who among the seated ones gets to use it next. The most successful ones listen for the flush, then time their rise and first step to coincide with the opening lav door. Too soon, and you become a loiterer. Too late and somebody else listening for the flush is going to sleaze in ahead of you.
Then there's a little reverse-musical-chairs dance to see who among the seated ones gets to use it next. The most successful ones listen for the flush, then time their rise and first step to coincide with the opening lav door. Too soon, and you become a loiterer. Too late and somebody else listening for the flush is going to sleaze in ahead of you.
#29
Join Date: Jan 2009
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If I'm seated in row 4, I'm more prone to use the lav thats right behind me, with the exception if there is a line in Y waiting for that lav. I just sit back and wait for the F cabin bathroom to become available. Not at all being a DYKWIA, just is easier in proximity. Regardless, both lavs have the same exact amenities.

You do know however that it is quite good for you to get up and walk around a little especially on long flights, right?

Till
#30


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There may be other times when it would be nice to be able to use the "unassigned" lav, but since it's an international flight, you can't. Such as, on a recent ORD-NRT flight in J when, prior to landing and lots of pax needing to use the lav, a young lady goes in with long, shoulder-length hair, stays more than 25 minutes, meanwhile a line forming near the lavs, and when she comes out, all that hair is stacked up on the top of her head with a new "do" and makeover. (Yes, I noticed her going in and waited until she came out.) She greeted all the pax in line with a huge smile.



