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Please take a look at some of the many thousands of etiquette books published in the past 100 years in the US.
Waiters are tipped 15%; Bartenders are tipped $1 per drink; Porters are tipped $1 per bag. No other tips are "required" (and even these guidelines above are not "required"). But these are mores: social conventions that have been around since at least the Lincoln administration. So, if you are a traveler in the US, do it. New people/ job categories who ask for tips, I have no idea -- do what you want. It is not "required." Only the three job categories above are considered "tipped" by the US IRS and hence are paid sub-minimum wages. There are some other minor conventions around doormen in NYC, certain livery drivers, etc. But the main 3 categories that all visitors to the US should be aware of are: waiters, barmen, and porters. |
Originally Posted by fastflyer
(Post 18576278)
Please take a look at some of the many thousands of etiquette books published in the past 100 years in the US.
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Originally Posted by planemechanic
(Post 18577518)
Please listen to common sense, as you can't believe everything you read. Tipping is NOT MANDATORY.
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Originally Posted by DJGMaster1
(Post 18572305)
I actually NEVER said that it is okay for them to do that, and I don't believe that it is. But it is very common practice, and it would be naive to believe otherwise.
And the fact is, it is foolhardy to expect the same level of professionalism from a waiter who might earn $3 an hour, with an expectation of tripling or quadrupling that from gratuities which they then find that they did not receive from a particular customer, and a doctor who earns hundreds of dollars for performing a single patient procedure. No doubt many servers do not actually mistreat the food of poor tipping customers, but a very significant number DO do this. Claiming otherwise is either naive or misleading in the extreme. The fact that this exists is proof the tipping culture is all wrong. The blame always seems to get put on the customers when it should be put on the employers who do not pay proper wages. We had this same argument going in a "should I tip the wheelchair pusher at the airport" thread. A wheelchair pusher was making threats if they didn't' get tipped. The blame is ion the employer taking advantage of a law that allows them to stiff the employee, but gets the employee's angry at directed at the customer instead of at the real source of the problem. I can't believe we all just let this keep going on and on and on. |
Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 18574743)
Surely one has someone to do that for you... Oh Jeeves!!! ;)
Originally Posted by thelark
(Post 18575915)
Taking a charter boat from St. Maarten to Anguilla (flew into SXM, transport by sea to Anguilla). They took our bags and loaded them onto the boat. A guy comes running up to me, "You have to tip the porter for taking your bags. I'm the porter, you have to tip me!" "No, I don't. I don't tip anyone who demands money from me." "No, you have to tip the porter!" "No, I don't and I'm not going to." He went all the way back down the pier, took the bags off the boat and brought them back to me. That was fine by me...he did twice the work for nothing!
Originally Posted by nrr
(Post 18576087)
This is one reason (especially in Las Vegas) when I carry lots of small bills, and I travel light so I don't put anything in the trunk of a taxi.
Mike |
Originally Posted by DeafFlyer
(Post 18578292)
I apologize for thinking you said it was okay.
The fact that this exists is proof the tipping culture is all wrong. The blame always seems to get put on the customers when it should be put on the employers who do not pay proper wages. We had this same argument going in a "should I tip the wheelchair pusher at the airport" thread. A wheelchair pusher was making threats if they didn't' get tipped. The blame is ion the employer taking advantage of a law that allows them to stiff the employee, but gets the employee's angry at directed at the customer instead of at the real source of the problem. I can't believe we all just let this keep going on and on and on. The problem is systemic here in the U.S. and a few brave restauranteurs are not going to suddenly change it. Oh, and BTW, good luck to the wait staff trying to explain to the IRS that they work for restaurants that discourage tipping. |
Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 18569139)
In ON, servers get full minimum wage, and their tips, and many get things like healthcare. Same as CA? Same as NY? Or just use Canadian Tire money? |
Originally Posted by DJGMaster1
(Post 18581316)
I don't believe it's appropriate to blame employers either. They are all in a highly competitive marketplace, and they should be expected to pay a competitive prevailing wage for the type of labor they were hiring. I suspect that a Restaurant that tried to pay it's wait staff $10-12 an hour rather than 3-4 an hour would have a non-competitive cost structure. Could they charge more than the similar restaurant down the street, and make it up by suggesting that their wait staff earns a full wage, and hence, you should feel comfortable tipping 0-5%, and anything above that only for servers that go beyond the call of duty? I think they'd be pushing a rock up hill.
The problem is systemic here in the U.S. and a few brave restauranteurs are not going to suddenly change it. Oh, and BTW, good luck to the wait staff trying to explain to the IRS that they work for restaurants that discourage tipping. |
Originally Posted by DJGMaster1
(Post 18581316)
I don't believe it's appropriate to blame employers either. They are all in a highly competitive marketplace, and they should be expected to pay a competitive prevailing wage for the type of labor they were hiring. I suspect that a Restaurant that tried to pay it's wait staff $10-12 an hour rather than 3-4 an hour would have a non-competitive cost structure. Could they charge more than the similar restaurant down the street, and make it up by suggesting that their wait staff earns a full wage, and hence, you should feel comfortable tipping 0-5%, and anything above that only for servers that go beyond the call of duty? I think they'd be pushing a rock up hill.
The problem is systemic here in the U.S. and a few brave restauranteurs are not going to suddenly change it. Oh, and BTW, good luck to the wait staff trying to explain to the IRS that they work for restaurants that discourage tipping. |
Originally Posted by nrr
(Post 18576135)
In NYC, where the sales tax rate is 8.875% (for restaurants), so to save doing "higher mathematics":D in computing a tip. many people just double the tax on the bill (=17.75%).
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An article today about touch screen tip amount in cabs in NYC:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technolo...214935642.html "...See, those screens offer you four different potions for tipping: a 30% tip button, a 25% tip button, a 20% tip button, and a keypad for entering in your own tip. It turns out that people are lazy and love using those buttons — according to research from NYC developer Joshua Gross, the average tip has more than doubled to 22% since. That's a total of $144 million of additional tips per year." |
that additional tip is somewhat nice for the drivers, but I don't think they're making off with any more since uncle sam and miss liberty tax all those, where before, with cash, some tips might have gone wink wink to uncle sam and miss liberty
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Glad someone got it!
Originally Posted by j_the_p
(Post 18581381)
Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 18569139)
In ON, servers get full minimum wage, and their tips, and many get things like healthcare. Same as CA? Same as NY? Or just use Canadian Tire money? |
I've never been hassled about leaving a tip at a restaurant; by cabbies, yes. Not as bad in the US as some places... in Bangkok, I once had a cabby threaten to take me to the wrong, domestic-only meter if I didn't pay him about twice what the meter would end up showing, and ended up dumped on the side of the road (without charge, and in an urban enough neighborhood I was able to get another cab, at least!) when I tried to call the tourist police.
Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 18556604)
I do disagree that this is "really really stingy". 15% is still an acceptable tip amount in the US, according to American people I dine with on both the East and West coasts - the 18 and 20% thing seems to be creeping in, but is by no means universal. 15% was considered a good tip a decade ago, so I am not sure why the 'creep' - the arguements about costs of living is a load of codswallop, as menu prices rising would mean % tips also increase.
Anywhere in the range of 15% on the pre-tax subtotal to 20% on the after-tax is fine, normal, etc. 10% is a sign you were unhappy with the service... my own rule is that if it's bad enough I can't leave 10%, it's bad enough that I call the manager over to explain why (although I've broken it a few times when traveling with places I'll never be again.)
Originally Posted by gobluetwo
(Post 18556734)
Agree. The "appropriate" tip amount seems to be creeping ever upward. I remember a time when 10% was the norm, then 15%, now 18-20%. In another decade, we'll probably be at 25%. Frankly, I feel like anything between 10-20% is acceptable.
Originally Posted by bfxfd
(Post 18556784)
Your logic is so flawed I don't know where to begin. First, restaurant owners pay below minimum wage because it is legal. There are few if any waiters making a fixed wage of $10/hr.
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
Originally Posted by LTBoston
(Post 18559354)
Tipping is part of the cost of dining out. If restaurant had no tipping and simply paid servers what they'd make with tips, it would be factored into the cost of the meal and you'd end up spending the same amount of money anyway. And complaining about the high cost of dining out.
Which is not to say that I don't tip - I do, it is how the system works here - but if a restaurant said "no tips needed, we pay our staff a fair wage" (or a commission) I'd definitely be glad to pay an amount comparably higher than what I'd otherwise be tipping, and be more likely to come back if the service and food were otherwise comparable to the tipped alternatives.
Originally Posted by SeamasterLux
(Post 18560378)
When I had lunch at Le Bernardin, we received quite poor service at the beginning but it got better during the meal and even very good at the end, I left 50 USD on a 300 USD meal and I felt it was sufficient.
Originally Posted by quan98
(Post 18563400)
I just got back from eating out. $15.16 with a comped drink. I tipped $3.84 which is about 25% for a total of $19.
What should I have done? Should I have added the cost of the drink in the tip? I've also given up on the tip-amount rounds the bill out thing; I'd rather save the 5 seconds and little bit of mental energy and let the waiter have the extra 16c. Over the course of a shift, it might add up for them, and over the course of a year, it'll never add up to enough money that I'll care.
Originally Posted by chgoeditor
(Post 18563895)
* If I was comped a drink because something went wrong with my meal.
Originally Posted by Westcoaster
(Post 18565745)
When he left the cafe Dad left a tip of 2 pennies on the table. The waiter actually ran out of the cafe and yelled at Dad on the street.
Originally Posted by hedur
(Post 18567753)
Is this common knowledge?
I've never heard of anyone actually doing it, but according to my dad the ultimate sign of displeasure was to leave a few pennies... at the bottom of your water glass.
Originally Posted by HazeCraze
(Post 18566907)
Does anyone tip when ordering from a take out counter? Or picking up a phone order?
If it's an order-/pickup-at-the-counter, mainly take-out place, I'd tip as if I was eating in -- a buck or two (regardless of the size of the bill) or not at all, depending on how minimal the service is. |
Originally Posted by Trumpkin
(Post 18560321)
I too come from a country (New Zealand) where staff are paid a reasonable wage and it is not normal to tip for normal service, although you can do so if you get great service. I've never heard of anyone being encountering aggressive tip requests.
One things that does confuse me when reading posts in this topic is how when people receive really bad service they still give a tip, just at a lower percentage. Why do they do this? How bad must the service be for someone to not tip for the service?
Originally Posted by SeamasterLux
(Post 18560378)
That's indeed a very interesting topic for me as someone living in Europe.
You might consider that service is already included in the meal price but well we do leave tips when we consider we received a good service, at least I do. But I would never ever leave a 20% tip at a high end restaurant. If I'm paying EUR 500 for 2 at a 3-star Michelin restaurant, I'll probably leave 50€ if the service was outstanding, 20€ if the service was ok, nothing if it was really poor. I always feel quite weird while in the U.S. and seeing this "mandatory 20%" and I tend to belong to the category described earlier in the post as "waiters have to earn the tip". So definitely no, if the service was not good or just average, there's no way I'd leave a 20% tip. When I had lunch at Le Bernardin, we received quite poor service at the beginning but it got better during the meal and even very good at the end, I left 50 USD on a 300 USD meal and I felt it was sufficient. I wonder how Europeans feel about the tipping in the US in general (or in any other country that applies a similar rule)
Originally Posted by sweeper20
(Post 18562234)
You missed one...some people are just plain cheap...and that seems to be in play here...thats psych 102...the next level :)
Originally Posted by quan98
(Post 18563400)
I just got back from eating out. $15.16 with a comped drink. I tipped $3.84 which is about 25% for a total of $19.
What should I have done? Should I have added the cost of the drink in the tip? |
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