Baggage allowance for interline ticket
Dec 23, 2011 | 12:05 am
#1
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 2
Baggage allowance for interline ticket
Hi there, this is my first post at FlyerTalk.
Before this post I did some search in the forum and found some relevant information, but I am still confused by the IATA resolution 302. So I will just ask:
I have an upcoming trip all ticketed in the same interline PNR by CO:
01/16, CA 927 PEK - KIX connect CO 886 (operated by UA 886) KIX - SFO
02/11, CO 889 (operated by UA 889) SFO - PEK
The baggage allowance for each carrier involved:
CA between China and Japan, 20kg
CA between China and US, 2 * 23kg
UA/CO between Japan and US, 2 * 23kg
UA/CO between China and US, 1 * 23kg
I know interline baggage allowance is governed by IATA resolution 302, as:
So it does not take a long time to figure out UA is the MSC here. However, I am not sure which UA baggage allowance applies to the outbound trip -- should it be the one between China and US since that is ticketed O/D, thus only allow 1 * 23kg; or should it be the one between Japan and US since that's the segment UA flies in this interline, thus allow me 2 * 23kg?
Reading through IATA 302 does not give me any indication of which rule should apply; and examples posted in this forum also does not give any answer.
Furthermore, IF the baggage allowance for the outbound trip is 2 * 23kg, does the following DOT order of 2009-09-20 also give me the same allowance on the return trip, even though UA normal allowance on SFO - PEK is only 1 * 23kg?
Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance
Before this post I did some search in the forum and found some relevant information, but I am still confused by the IATA resolution 302. So I will just ask:
I have an upcoming trip all ticketed in the same interline PNR by CO:
01/16, CA 927 PEK - KIX connect CO 886 (operated by UA 886) KIX - SFO
02/11, CO 889 (operated by UA 889) SFO - PEK
The baggage allowance for each carrier involved:
CA between China and Japan, 20kg
CA between China and US, 2 * 23kg
UA/CO between Japan and US, 2 * 23kg
UA/CO between China and US, 1 * 23kg
I know interline baggage allowance is governed by IATA resolution 302, as:
Resolved that,
unless otherwise agreed the following baggage provisions selection process should apply for interline journeys.
1) Baggage provisions are defined as free baggage allowance rules and baggage charges.
2) For the purposes of baggage provisions selection, the following 4 step process should apply for interline journeys:
a) Step 1 : If the published baggage provisions among all participating carriers are the same; these provisions will apply.
b) Step 2 : Where the one or more published baggage provisions differ between participating carriers, apply any common provisions and where provisions differ the published baggage provisions of the MSC (Most Significant Carrier).
(In case of codeshare flights this will be the Operating Carrier, unless that carrier publishes a rule stipulating that it will be the Marketing Carrier).
c) Step 3 : If the MSC does not publish baggage provisions for the journey concerned apply the published baggage provisions of the carrier accepting the baggage at check-in.
d) Step 4 : If the carrier accepting the baggage at check-in does not publish baggage provisions for the interline journey concerned apply the published baggage provisions of each operating airline sector-by-sector.
3) The MSC (Most Significant Carrier) is
a) : For travel between two or more IATA Areas, the carrier performing carriage on the first sector that crosses from one area to another.
Exception: IATA Area 1/2/3 only, the carrier providing carriage on the first sector that crosses between IATA Area 1 and IATA Area 2.
b) : For travel between IATA Tariff sub-areas, the carrier performing carriage on the first sector that crosses from one sub-area to another.
c) : For travel within a IATA Tariff sub-area, the carrier performing carriage on the first international sector.
【IATA Area,IATA Tariff sub-area】
IATA defines the world into 3 areas (IATA Area) and defines IATA area into small areas (IATA Tariff sub-area)
■IATA Area 1: North America, Central and South America, Hawaii etc
(IATA Tariff sub-area within IATA Area 1)
USA, Canada, Mexico
Caribbean
Central America
South America (Brazil etc)
■IATA Area 2: Europe, Middle East etc
(IATA Tariff sub-area within IATA Area 2)
Europe
Middle East (UAE etc)
Africa
■IATA Area 3: Asia, Guam, South West Pacific etc
(IATA Tariff sub-area within IATA Area 3)
Japan, Korea
South East Asia (China, Taiwan, Indonesia, Malysia, Philippines, Singapore, Vietnam, Guam etc)
South Asian Subcontinent (India etc)
South West Pacific (Australia, New Zealand, Tahiti etc)
unless otherwise agreed the following baggage provisions selection process should apply for interline journeys.
1) Baggage provisions are defined as free baggage allowance rules and baggage charges.
2) For the purposes of baggage provisions selection, the following 4 step process should apply for interline journeys:
a) Step 1 : If the published baggage provisions among all participating carriers are the same; these provisions will apply.
b) Step 2 : Where the one or more published baggage provisions differ between participating carriers, apply any common provisions and where provisions differ the published baggage provisions of the MSC (Most Significant Carrier).
(In case of codeshare flights this will be the Operating Carrier, unless that carrier publishes a rule stipulating that it will be the Marketing Carrier).
c) Step 3 : If the MSC does not publish baggage provisions for the journey concerned apply the published baggage provisions of the carrier accepting the baggage at check-in.
d) Step 4 : If the carrier accepting the baggage at check-in does not publish baggage provisions for the interline journey concerned apply the published baggage provisions of each operating airline sector-by-sector.
3) The MSC (Most Significant Carrier) is
a) : For travel between two or more IATA Areas, the carrier performing carriage on the first sector that crosses from one area to another.
Exception: IATA Area 1/2/3 only, the carrier providing carriage on the first sector that crosses between IATA Area 1 and IATA Area 2.
b) : For travel between IATA Tariff sub-areas, the carrier performing carriage on the first sector that crosses from one sub-area to another.
c) : For travel within a IATA Tariff sub-area, the carrier performing carriage on the first international sector.
【IATA Area,IATA Tariff sub-area】
IATA defines the world into 3 areas (IATA Area) and defines IATA area into small areas (IATA Tariff sub-area)
■IATA Area 1: North America, Central and South America, Hawaii etc
(IATA Tariff sub-area within IATA Area 1)
USA, Canada, Mexico
Caribbean
Central America
South America (Brazil etc)
■IATA Area 2: Europe, Middle East etc
(IATA Tariff sub-area within IATA Area 2)
Europe
Middle East (UAE etc)
Africa
■IATA Area 3: Asia, Guam, South West Pacific etc
(IATA Tariff sub-area within IATA Area 3)
Japan, Korea
South East Asia (China, Taiwan, Indonesia, Malysia, Philippines, Singapore, Vietnam, Guam etc)
South Asian Subcontinent (India etc)
South West Pacific (Australia, New Zealand, Tahiti etc)
Reading through IATA 302 does not give me any indication of which rule should apply; and examples posted in this forum also does not give any answer.
Furthermore, IF the baggage allowance for the outbound trip is 2 * 23kg, does the following DOT order of 2009-09-20 also give me the same allowance on the return trip, even though UA normal allowance on SFO - PEK is only 1 * 23kg?
(a) For passengers whose ultimate ticketed origin or destination is a U.S. point, the baggage provisions selected at the beginning of the itinerary shall apply throughout the itinerary, regardless of stopovers, and
(b) in the case of code-share flights that include a point in the United States, the Most Significant Carrier (MSC) shall be the Marketing Carrier.
(b) in the case of code-share flights that include a point in the United States, the Most Significant Carrier (MSC) shall be the Marketing Carrier.
Thanks in advance
Dec 23, 2011 | 10:45 am
#2
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 2
I think I figured it out
I came across this example from SU:
You have a ticket Oslo-Moscow-Delhi-Kathmandu booked on the following flights:
SU212 Oslo-Moscow
SU535 Moscow-Delhi
9W264 Delhi-Kathmandu
SU212 and SU535 are operated by Aeroflot.
9W264 is operated by Jet Airways.
Aeroflot uses the piece concept.
Jet Airways uses the weight concept; 20 kg.
First of all, MSC in this itinerary is Aeroflot, as flight SU535 crosses two IATA areas. Therefore the piece concept applies.
However, with this particulary itinerary there is another challenge; which piece concept will apply?
Aeroflots rule is 1 piece, but on tickets to Delhi the airline offers 2 pieces (the "double baggage" offer).
It is therefore important to understand that this ticket is a ticket to Kathmandu, not to Delhi. Delhi is only a transfer point.
Conclusion: 1 piece max 23 kg applies for the whole routing Oslo-Moscow-Delhi-Kathmandu.
By the same token, my flight will have allowance of one piece, 23kg.
You have a ticket Oslo-Moscow-Delhi-Kathmandu booked on the following flights:
SU212 Oslo-Moscow
SU535 Moscow-Delhi
9W264 Delhi-Kathmandu
SU212 and SU535 are operated by Aeroflot.
9W264 is operated by Jet Airways.
Aeroflot uses the piece concept.
Jet Airways uses the weight concept; 20 kg.
First of all, MSC in this itinerary is Aeroflot, as flight SU535 crosses two IATA areas. Therefore the piece concept applies.
However, with this particulary itinerary there is another challenge; which piece concept will apply?
Aeroflots rule is 1 piece, but on tickets to Delhi the airline offers 2 pieces (the "double baggage" offer).
It is therefore important to understand that this ticket is a ticket to Kathmandu, not to Delhi. Delhi is only a transfer point.
Conclusion: 1 piece max 23 kg applies for the whole routing Oslo-Moscow-Delhi-Kathmandu.
By the same token, my flight will have allowance of one piece, 23kg.
