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Old Sep 1, 11, 2:01 pm
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Was flying home after the delays due to Hurricane Irene and on the airport shuttle to Newark a pilot got on and was chatting with several FAs from his airline. They asked him what time he got in the night before. He told them "late -- I've only had three hours of sleep".

And he was on his way to pilot a flight to Chicago.
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Old Sep 1, 11, 2:04 pm
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That's scary. Sometimes the less I know about what goes on in the cockpit the better I feel. It might be time to get my pilot license and transport myself.
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Old Sep 1, 11, 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by TheManofaThousandPlaces View Post
That's scary. Sometimes the less I know about what goes on in the cockpit the better I feel. It might be time to get my pilot license and transport myself.
In which case you'd go from one of the safest modes of transport, even with sleepy pilots, to one of the more dangerous. General aviation is on par with motorcycling overall, and owner operated commuting is one of the most dangerous forms of general aviation (due to the pressure on pilots to make the flight even if weather conditions are marginal).
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Old Sep 1, 11, 10:57 pm
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Originally Posted by acunningham View Post
In which case you'd go from one of the safest modes of transport, even with sleepy pilots, to one of the more dangerous. General aviation is on par with motorcycling overall, and owner operated commuting is one of the most dangerous forms of general aviation (due to the pressure on pilots to make the flight even if weather conditions are marginal).
Agreed..

I'd rather have a couple of sleepy pilots who know that they can operate the plane, then to handle it myself..

imo private small plane crashes are a regular occurence in my local newspaper..
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Old Sep 2, 11, 12:36 am
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Extremely common.
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Old Sep 2, 11, 12:41 am
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Planes practically fly themselves.
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Old Sep 2, 11, 6:51 am
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Originally Posted by Michael El View Post
Planes practically fly themselves.
All the more reason to have an alert pilot. Sitting there, with little to do, the pilot is likely to nod off.
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Old Sep 2, 11, 9:54 pm
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So do pilots sleep for part of the flight?..

I imagine that the controls include a wakeup alarm when routings start to change..
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Old Sep 2, 11, 11:39 pm
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it's scary... There should be proper rules regrading this... The shifts of pilot also should be according to this that each pilot should have minimum of 7 hours sleep....
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Old Oct 3, 11, 1:32 am
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He still has his co-pilot, which nowadays does most of the flying stuff...
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Old Oct 3, 11, 2:41 am
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Originally Posted by headhunterke View Post
He still has his co-pilot, which nowadays does most of the flying stuff...
The captain and first office typically alternate Pilot Flying (PF) and Pilot Not Flying (PNF) on each leg, so both get approximately equal time. The PNF still has plenty to do, particularly on takeoff, climb, descent, approach, and landing.
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Old Oct 3, 11, 6:56 am
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A couple cups of coffee, some speed, a few red bulls, and I'm sure he was fine.

In all seriousness how do you really enforce the min sleep requirements? I mean they already have them for crew rest, but do you screen each pilot and ask how many actual hours did you sleep? Next thing you know pilots are not making it to flights because they are oversleeping from ambien, lunesta, or similar.

I do agree though, the less I know the better! That is why there are always two people in the cockpit.
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Old Oct 3, 11, 8:49 am
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Anyone with infants or small children is tired pretty much all of the time. I would not be in favor of giving every pilot a 3 or 4 year leave of absence every time a child is born.
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Old Oct 3, 11, 9:05 am
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maybe the pilot was an insomniac. both hitler and stalin were.
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Old Oct 3, 11, 1:27 pm
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In all seriousness how do you really enforce the min sleep requirements?
You can't, that's why there aren't any minimum sleep requirements. All that the regulations could (should) do is guarantee that the crewmember's schedule includes an adequate opportunity to sleep. Current legal schedules do not.
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