So most foreign carriers are better.
May 23, 2011, 2:58 pm
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So most foreign carriers are better.
Hey folks I have a question. Since I and I think most of us intentionally book foreign carriers, why not have a nationalized airline? Most quality foreign carriers are government run. Singapore air, Thai, ba, lut, quantas, new zeland, etc. I know Virgin x is private, seriously, what are the thoughts of a nationalized airline?
What are your thoughts? We can have a union and your hire date starts your seniority but your salary is based on your exp. and qualifications.
What are your thoughts? We can have a union and your hire date starts your seniority but your salary is based on your exp. and qualifications.
May 23, 2011, 3:11 pm
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Hi wrdouglas;
My personal opinion on this matter is I don't think we should have a national airline (gov't run). I wasn't alive during airline regulation. I think deregulation was the only good thing Jimmy Carter did.
I would not want a national airline gov't run and I am gonna get a little political but I believe everytime gov't meddles in our personal affairs or the private sector it just makes things worse, JMHO!!!! I have said this before I believe we should just let a free market work and not have gov't intervention.
I think deregulation has set our country apart in the sense that we have competition and airlines are competing for our business. Yes the pool is getting smaller but there is still competition for the consumer, which IMHO is always a good thing.
Charlie.
P.S. I think this might be in the wrong forum, just saying.
My personal opinion on this matter is I don't think we should have a national airline (gov't run). I wasn't alive during airline regulation. I think deregulation was the only good thing Jimmy Carter did.
I would not want a national airline gov't run and I am gonna get a little political but I believe everytime gov't meddles in our personal affairs or the private sector it just makes things worse, JMHO!!!! I have said this before I believe we should just let a free market work and not have gov't intervention.
I think deregulation has set our country apart in the sense that we have competition and airlines are competing for our business. Yes the pool is getting smaller but there is still competition for the consumer, which IMHO is always a good thing.
Charlie.
P.S. I think this might be in the wrong forum, just saying.
May 23, 2011, 3:15 pm
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May 23, 2011, 3:25 pm
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Hey folks I have a question. Since I and I think most of us intentionally book foreign carriers, why not have a nationalized airline? Most quality foreign carriers are government run. Singapore air, Thai, ba, lut, quantas, new zeland, etc. I know Virgin x is private, seriously, what are the thoughts of a nationalized airline?
What are your thoughts? We can have a union and your hire date starts your seniority but your salary is based on your exp. and qualifications.
What are your thoughts? We can have a union and your hire date starts your seniority but your salary is based on your exp. and qualifications.
Even Thai which has partial Public Shareholders will most likely be Majority owned by The Public in the near future.
May 23, 2011, 3:28 pm
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All except Thai are now Majority Publicly owned by Shareholders and even Virgin is probably Majority owned by Singapore Airlines Shareholders so cannot even be called private.
Even Thai which has partial Public Shareholders will most likely be Majority owned by The Public in the near future.
Even Thai which has partial Public Shareholders will most likely be Majority owned by The Public in the near future.
........one national, state run airline. to avoid duplication, we could make it a subsidiary of T.S.A.......cradle to grave approach.
May 23, 2011, 5:26 pm
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You are cherry picking the better foreign airlines out there. I don't think you'd put EgyptAir, Air China, or Air India on the list, which are the flag carriers of their respective countries but are arguably worse than US carriers.
You might want to consider what would bring the carriers you list down to the US airline level:
- a brutally competitive domestic market in which airlines must strip out any and all extra costs, to the extent they calculate how many olives should be put in their salads
- the burden of buying health insurance for their employees in the world's most overpriced and inefficient health care market, with no end in sight to increasing costs
- a large base of older FAs without pensions or social support, who have to work way beyond normal retirement age, combined with age discrimination laws and unions which prevent dismissal for lack of performance
The US pretty much has transportation suitable to its political and legal reality: bus-like airlines which provide safe, no-frills transportation to the unwashed masses. Anyone who can afford anything better can choose foreign carriers, who can make money with higher standards.
You might want to consider what would bring the carriers you list down to the US airline level:
- a brutally competitive domestic market in which airlines must strip out any and all extra costs, to the extent they calculate how many olives should be put in their salads
- the burden of buying health insurance for their employees in the world's most overpriced and inefficient health care market, with no end in sight to increasing costs
- a large base of older FAs without pensions or social support, who have to work way beyond normal retirement age, combined with age discrimination laws and unions which prevent dismissal for lack of performance
The US pretty much has transportation suitable to its political and legal reality: bus-like airlines which provide safe, no-frills transportation to the unwashed masses. Anyone who can afford anything better can choose foreign carriers, who can make money with higher standards.
May 23, 2011, 5:31 pm
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May 23, 2011, 9:29 pm
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Our government isn't smart enough to run an airline anyway. Typically when conmpared to private sector, US government pays too much, has way too many people sitting around with thumbs up backside, and is generally unproductive. So we'd get a new "air travel quality tax" that would be paid on all tickets on all airlines to subsidize the new AFSCME union featherbed.
May 24, 2011, 9:26 am
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As this travel-related topic is not related specifically to US Airways, we'll move it over to the TravelBuzz.
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