Guaranteed empty seat program
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P.S. In your Russian farmer analogy, I think you've lost sight of the fact that you'd be getting a $1500 bonus for allowing the seat neighbor to encroach on a few inches of "your" paid knee space.
How is that a losing proposition for you personally, especially since it sounds as if you as the passenger aren't the one paying, but rather the company that is sending you? $1500 for not sitting directly next to someone and possibly having to tolerate someone letting 1/3 of a butt cheek or an elbow encroach into the empty seat's airspace. Sounds like a WIN to me.
How is that a losing proposition for you personally, especially since it sounds as if you as the passenger aren't the one paying, but rather the company that is sending you? $1500 for not sitting directly next to someone and possibly having to tolerate someone letting 1/3 of a butt cheek or an elbow encroach into the empty seat's airspace. Sounds like a WIN to me.
I still wonder why the airlines don't offer something like this for a 50 percent upcharge. I think the demand is there.
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Why would not be ? $1500 x 3 = $4500
Typical C or D to Asia is over $5000.
Even if it is not the case, the 2nd seats could be gotten with miles from the father as well, OP didn't specified the details from the "neighbor". Therefore, it is basically $3000. And $3000 for sure is far away from a paid business seat to asia.
Typical C or D to Asia is over $5000.
Even if it is not the case, the 2nd seats could be gotten with miles from the father as well, OP didn't specified the details from the "neighbor". Therefore, it is basically $3000. And $3000 for sure is far away from a paid business seat to asia.
There's a story about the Russian farmer who is told by a genie that he can have anything he wants, but his neighbor will get double. He asks the genie to poke one of his eyes out. I suppose I have a little of that Russian farmer in me. I wouldn't mind paying 50 percent more for a shared empty seat, but I just wouldn't be able to take paying 100 percent of the cost of a seat that was then used in part by another passenger who paid nothing. Just me.
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I didn't say I was rational about it. And if I was the company owner paying for it, it would bother me that something that I was paying for for my employee was being used by someone else for free. Push comes to shove, I would take the $1,500 and live with it.
I still wonder why the airlines don't offer something like this for a 50 percent upcharge. I think the demand is there.
I still wonder why the airlines don't offer something like this for a 50 percent upcharge. I think the demand is there.
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Why would not be ? $1500 x 3 = $4500
Typical C or D to Asia is over $5000.
Even if it is not the case, the 2nd seats could be gotten with miles from the father as well, OP didn't specified the details from the "neighbor". Therefore, it is basically $3000. And $3000 for sure is far away from a paid business seat to asia.
Typical C or D to Asia is over $5000.
Even if it is not the case, the 2nd seats could be gotten with miles from the father as well, OP didn't specified the details from the "neighbor". Therefore, it is basically $3000. And $3000 for sure is far away from a paid business seat to asia.
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The suggestion was made that when there was 3-across seating, that seats be offered on each side of an empty seat for a 50 percent premium. Thus the airline would not lose any money, and would actually gain revenue by not having to fool with the extra passenger. perhaps I should have been more plain; Obviously this would only apply in cases of 3-across seating.
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The suggestion was made that when there was 3-across seating, that seats be offered on each side of an empty seat for a 50 percent premium. Thus the airline would not lose any money, and would actually gain revenue by not having to fool with the extra passenger. perhaps I should have been more plain; Obviously this would only apply in cases of 3-across seating.
Or more accurately, that only works in the case where both seats alongside such a seat were sold AND they both paid the premium for the empty seat.
But: why would I pay that premium if the other passenger already paid it, such that the seat will be left empty? You can't occupy half a seat. And if I were flying with a companion, I might pay the premium so we have three seats to ourselves. But then, again: there is no reason to pay the premium twice because I've already paid it once and a seat can't be 50% occupied. And in that case I can be sure of the seat being empty because I know the premium was paid.
The airline can't demand the premium be paid twice (apart form simply selling the seat at 100% of course) because they'd be offering the service to single seats but without the actual guarantee of the other neighbour paying the same premium, in which case the service would not be delivered.
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The only thing they could do is block the middle seat and charge premium prices for window/aisle, adjusting the cabin as necessary to account for demand. In other words, a business/economy cabin that flexes based on demand.
Many airlines do this on short-haul: I've flown several different Airbuses (319's and 320's, I think) that did this. But I don't see it on long-haul - that tells me that airlines have indeed run plenty of simulations if not actual live tests and have instead focused on enhancing the real business class with better seats and amenities, not creating more finely differentiated options in coach. Your best bet in coach ends up being the premium economy offerings on a few carriers... The offer to formally pay 100% for the second seat is not always accepted - it's a popular topic on the boards here where the airline has a POS policy. (Specifically, the short skinny guy can't always just throw down cash for the 2nd seat.)
Many airlines do this on short-haul: I've flown several different Airbuses (319's and 320's, I think) that did this. But I don't see it on long-haul - that tells me that airlines have indeed run plenty of simulations if not actual live tests and have instead focused on enhancing the real business class with better seats and amenities, not creating more finely differentiated options in coach. Your best bet in coach ends up being the premium economy offerings on a few carriers... The offer to formally pay 100% for the second seat is not always accepted - it's a popular topic on the boards here where the airline has a POS policy. (Specifically, the short skinny guy can't always just throw down cash for the 2nd seat.)
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That doesn't work.
Or more accurately, that only works in the case where both seats alongside such a seat were sold AND they both paid the premium for the empty seat.
But: why would I pay that premium if the other passenger already paid it, such that the seat will be left empty? You can't occupy half a seat. And if I were flying with a companion, I might pay the premium so we have three seats to ourselves. But then, again: there is no reason to pay the premium twice because I've already paid it once and a seat can't be 50% occupied. And in that case I can be sure of the seat being empty because I know the premium was paid.
Or more accurately, that only works in the case where both seats alongside such a seat were sold AND they both paid the premium for the empty seat.
But: why would I pay that premium if the other passenger already paid it, such that the seat will be left empty? You can't occupy half a seat. And if I were flying with a companion, I might pay the premium so we have three seats to ourselves. But then, again: there is no reason to pay the premium twice because I've already paid it once and a seat can't be 50% occupied. And in that case I can be sure of the seat being empty because I know the premium was paid.
The only thing they could do is block the middle seat and charge premium prices for window/aisle, adjusting the cabin as necessary to account for demand. In other words, a business/economy cabin that flexes based on demand.
Many airlines do this on short-haul: I've flown several different Airbuses (319's and 320's, I think) that did this. But I don't see it on long-haul - that tells me that airlines have indeed run plenty of simulations if not actual live tests and have instead focused on enhancing the real business class with better seats and amenities, not creating more finely differentiated options in coach. Your best bet in coach ends up being the premium economy offerings on a few carriers... The offer to formally pay 100% for the second seat is not always accepted - it's a popular topic on the boards here where the airline has a POS policy. (Specifically, the short skinny guy can't always just throw down cash for the 2nd seat.)
Many airlines do this on short-haul: I've flown several different Airbuses (319's and 320's, I think) that did this. But I don't see it on long-haul - that tells me that airlines have indeed run plenty of simulations if not actual live tests and have instead focused on enhancing the real business class with better seats and amenities, not creating more finely differentiated options in coach. Your best bet in coach ends up being the premium economy offerings on a few carriers... The offer to formally pay 100% for the second seat is not always accepted - it's a popular topic on the boards here where the airline has a POS policy. (Specifically, the short skinny guy can't always just throw down cash for the 2nd seat.)
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The real problem is that most corporate travel policies don't account for premium economy. Most companies software requires you to buy cheapest economy, period. It's not a standardized enough product for companies to build into their international travel policies either. And you're definitely right on the width - especially on a Boeing, it's the shoulder room that is uncomfortable, even in exit row or UA E+.
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That still leaves the airline with the potential for a whole bunch of unsold and unused seats.

