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The age of the child being 2 is required FAA to have a ticket.. How old is this child? Us from Canada, we can't circumvent passport requirements by not having a valid ticket for a child two years or older. The child will have a passport with age.
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Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro
You're right.. We don't know if the aisle passenger was a man or woman
Again, the only person who seems helpless is you?
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There were no gender specifications in the OP.
If in fact the parent told the aisle passenger to move, I would hope the aisle passenger told the parent to pound sand.
If there was a ticket purchased for the child however, the parent would have been within their interest to make that known to the aisle passenger. The refusal to pursue the matter by the parent confirms as much there was no ticket purchased for the lap child.
If in fact the parent told the aisle passenger to move, I would hope the aisle passenger told the parent to pound sand.
If there was a ticket purchased for the child however, the parent would have been within their interest to make that known to the aisle passenger. The refusal to pursue the matter by the parent confirms as much there was no ticket purchased for the lap child.
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The age of the child being 2 is required FAA to have a ticket.. How old is this child? Us from Canada, we can't circumvent passport requirements by not having a valid ticket for a child two years or older. The child will have a passport with age.
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I"m pointing out that its actually impossible for Canadians to board a plane to the US without a passport, including children from ages 0. So a ticket is required to be purchased because the age is verified.. In the case where a child is two, then the FAA requires that the child has a ticket, and this would be useful info to obtain from the OP.
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PTravel, I have no bone to pick with you, on this or any other matter.
I'm suggesting that as the bigger person, and the bigger adult, perhaps it is more mature to allow a younger, weaker person the benefit of a spare seat, one which I as an adult did not pay extra for.
Maybe the parent should have paid for it, but we do not know the economic situation of the parent. Maybe the parent should have never had a kid, but now that the kid is in this world, as an adult I can choose to give it more comfort with minimal disruption to me personally.
If the kid screams and wails and kicks and gets into my space, I'll let the parent know and have him/her switch seats or take the kid back into the lap. But I'll be the bigger, kinder person and afford another human being the use of a middle seat that I never paid for.
Does the other parent / kid have automatic entitlement? Absolutely not. But as an adult who is not self-absorbed, and who can easily block out external distractions with noise cancelling headphones, I don't begrudge giving that middle seat to another needy kid or parent, at all.
We all were kids once. We all have received favors from kind strangers. I choose to be a kind stranger and allow this favor for someone else, especially when I have no right to expect an empty seat next to me to begin with since I didn't purchase an empty seat.
Maybe I'm wrong for expecting people to be kind to others, and to give a little favor when it costs them virtually nothing. Maybe most people here are just hard nosed, unkind, ungracious people. If so, that's so very sad.
I'm suggesting that as the bigger person, and the bigger adult, perhaps it is more mature to allow a younger, weaker person the benefit of a spare seat, one which I as an adult did not pay extra for.
Maybe the parent should have paid for it, but we do not know the economic situation of the parent. Maybe the parent should have never had a kid, but now that the kid is in this world, as an adult I can choose to give it more comfort with minimal disruption to me personally.
If the kid screams and wails and kicks and gets into my space, I'll let the parent know and have him/her switch seats or take the kid back into the lap. But I'll be the bigger, kinder person and afford another human being the use of a middle seat that I never paid for.
Does the other parent / kid have automatic entitlement? Absolutely not. But as an adult who is not self-absorbed, and who can easily block out external distractions with noise cancelling headphones, I don't begrudge giving that middle seat to another needy kid or parent, at all.
We all were kids once. We all have received favors from kind strangers. I choose to be a kind stranger and allow this favor for someone else, especially when I have no right to expect an empty seat next to me to begin with since I didn't purchase an empty seat.
Maybe I'm wrong for expecting people to be kind to others, and to give a little favor when it costs them virtually nothing. Maybe most people here are just hard nosed, unkind, ungracious people. If so, that's so very sad.
From my perspective, it's not the kid to whom the favor/kindness is extended, but the parent who brought the kid on board. There's nothing wrong with extending favors or kindness to strangers and, in fact, I do it all the time. The problem I have is with any expectation that it should be extended in this circumstance.
I understand your inclination to be sympathetic to parents traveling with small children. I do not, however, share it. I am sympathetic to people who find themselves in a difficult situation that is not of their making. I am considerably less sympathetic to people who expect strangers to accommodate, to their detriment, their specific and deliberate choices. As I indicated earlier, I am no fan of lap children -- I think, by definition, they result in an automatic imposition on other passengers, as well as a potential hazard in the event of severe turbulence. I understand that sometimes it is unavoidable -- families must travel in emergencies and sometimes seating is limited. However, for any other reason, my personal view is that flying with a lap child, particularly in coach, in and of itself constitutes discourtesy. I am not inclined to extend kindnesses or favors to those who have already shown discourtesy to me. In my view, "common decency" would preclude flying with a lap child, irrespective of the parents' finances unless it is an emergency and no alternative was available. In emergencies I am, of course, naturally inclined to assist anyone who needs help. Otherwise, it is simply a question of, "If I didn't take her as a lap child, I couldn't afford to fly and she wouldn't get to see Aunt Sarah who lives on the East Coast." I don't care whether she sees Aunt Sarah or not, and I'm not going to extend kindnesses or courtesies to someone who decides that their personal desires justify imposing on strangers. I would add, too, that neither would I be rude or cruel -- I just don't care, and certainly won't inconvenience myself in such a situation.
This is, of course, my own personal opinion and others will, no doubt, feel differently.
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that this parent in the OP has now suddenly morphed into a "helpless single mother" who is down on her luck and short on cash.... cry me a river
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Ok.
rbwpi doesn't mention anything about flying from Canada to the US. Are you purposely not focusing on what rbwpi stated when rbwpi created this thread?
I"m pointing out that its actually impossible for Canadians to board a plane to the US without a passport, including children from ages 0. So a ticket is required to be purchased because the age is verified.. In the case where a child is two, then the FAA requires that the child has a ticket, and this would be useful info to obtain from the OP.
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No, I'm not purposely not focusing on what rbwpi stated.. For the multiple times I've pointed out, child of 2 years of age will have a ticket, and OP didn't state whether the child had a ticket, nor the age of the child. If the child is 2 or older than the child would have had a ticket.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about this.
From my perspective, it's not the kid to whom the favor/kindness is extended, but the parent who brought the kid on board. There's nothing wrong with extending favors or kindness to strangers and, in fact, I do it all the time. The problem I have is with any expectation that it should be extended in this circumstance.
I understand your inclination to be sympathetic to parents traveling with small children. I do not, however, share it. I am sympathetic to people who find themselves in a difficult situation that is not of their making. I am considerably less sympathetic to people who expect strangers to accommodate, to their detriment, their specific and deliberate choices. As I indicated earlier, I am no fan of lap children -- I think, by definition, they result in an automatic imposition on other passengers, as well as a potential hazard in the event of severe turbulence. I understand that sometimes it is unavoidable -- families must travel in emergencies and sometimes seating is limited. However, for any other reason, my personal view is that flying with a lap child, particularly in coach, in and of itself constitutes discourtesy. I am not inclined to extend kindnesses or favors to those who have already shown discourtesy to me. In my view, "common decency" would preclude flying with a lap child, irrespective of the parents' finances unless it is an emergency and no alternative was available. In emergencies I am, of course, naturally inclined to assist anyone who needs help. Otherwise, it is simply a question of, "If I didn't take her as a lap child, I couldn't afford to fly and she wouldn't get to see Aunt Sarah who lives on the East Coast." I don't care whether she sees Aunt Sarah or not, and I'm not going to extend kindnesses or courtesies to someone who decides that their personal desires justify imposing on strangers. I would add, too, that neither would I be rude or cruel -- I just don't care, and certainly won't inconvenience myself in such a situation.
This is, of course, my own personal opinion and others will, no doubt, feel differently.
From my perspective, it's not the kid to whom the favor/kindness is extended, but the parent who brought the kid on board. There's nothing wrong with extending favors or kindness to strangers and, in fact, I do it all the time. The problem I have is with any expectation that it should be extended in this circumstance.
I understand your inclination to be sympathetic to parents traveling with small children. I do not, however, share it. I am sympathetic to people who find themselves in a difficult situation that is not of their making. I am considerably less sympathetic to people who expect strangers to accommodate, to their detriment, their specific and deliberate choices. As I indicated earlier, I am no fan of lap children -- I think, by definition, they result in an automatic imposition on other passengers, as well as a potential hazard in the event of severe turbulence. I understand that sometimes it is unavoidable -- families must travel in emergencies and sometimes seating is limited. However, for any other reason, my personal view is that flying with a lap child, particularly in coach, in and of itself constitutes discourtesy. I am not inclined to extend kindnesses or favors to those who have already shown discourtesy to me. In my view, "common decency" would preclude flying with a lap child, irrespective of the parents' finances unless it is an emergency and no alternative was available. In emergencies I am, of course, naturally inclined to assist anyone who needs help. Otherwise, it is simply a question of, "If I didn't take her as a lap child, I couldn't afford to fly and she wouldn't get to see Aunt Sarah who lives on the East Coast." I don't care whether she sees Aunt Sarah or not, and I'm not going to extend kindnesses or courtesies to someone who decides that their personal desires justify imposing on strangers. I would add, too, that neither would I be rude or cruel -- I just don't care, and certainly won't inconvenience myself in such a situation.
This is, of course, my own personal opinion and others will, no doubt, feel differently.
So had the parent not assumed that the seat was there for the child, then the possibility of being generous by offering the child the seat would have been a possibility. However, because the parent asked the aisle passenger to move expecting that the seat would be there for the child you feel that the aisle passenger had every right to refuse because of the attitude in which it was asked.
I have to admit that I do this at times, but under different circumstances. However, with a child in play, I would first focus on the well being of the child first and foremost, rather than the parent who had the attitude. IMO.
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You were the one who pointed out whether the aisle passenger was a man or woman, and the parent was neither pointed out man or woman? I confirmed this element of your argument. Why would you call me sexist and helpless?
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rjw242.. I think Vicarious MR'er is on your team.. and you just cut his legs off.

