Alternative to an Apple Time Capsule
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Alternative to an Apple Time Capsule
I hope to soon toss my piece of crap HP laptop in favor of a Macbook Pro 17. As part of this upgrade, I want to get an inclusive device to provide wireless 'N' and storage for transferring my files and backing them up.
Technically, it looks like the Time Capsule is the perfect one-stop shop - wireless N, 1TB storage and a print server connection, and I can even use SuperDuper backup in place of the clumsy and unreliable Time Machine software that comes with the Mac.
However - the reviews on the TM are blisteringly poor, even on Apple's own website. 12-14 months seems to be the average time for the system to fail, and it runs loud and hot due to the full size drive. It's also fairly expensive.
Can anyone suggest a single device, or a combination of two small, simple devices I can combine to create a more reliable setup than a Time Machine alone?
Technically, it looks like the Time Capsule is the perfect one-stop shop - wireless N, 1TB storage and a print server connection, and I can even use SuperDuper backup in place of the clumsy and unreliable Time Machine software that comes with the Mac.
However - the reviews on the TM are blisteringly poor, even on Apple's own website. 12-14 months seems to be the average time for the system to fail, and it runs loud and hot due to the full size drive. It's also fairly expensive.
Can anyone suggest a single device, or a combination of two small, simple devices I can combine to create a more reliable setup than a Time Machine alone?
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I've never tried it, but couldn't you plug an external HD into the back of any old wireless router that has a USB port?
I use an external HD plugged into my Mac and it seems like the Time Machine software works flawlessly. It was a lifesaver a month ago when the HD in my Mac finally gave up the ghost.
I use an external HD plugged into my Mac and it seems like the Time Machine software works flawlessly. It was a lifesaver a month ago when the HD in my Mac finally gave up the ghost.
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I've never tried it, but couldn't you plug an external HD into the back of any old wireless router that has a USB port?
I use an external HD plugged into my Mac and it seems like the Time Machine software works flawlessly. It was a lifesaver a month ago when the HD in my Mac finally gave up the ghost.
I use an external HD plugged into my Mac and it seems like the Time Machine software works flawlessly. It was a lifesaver a month ago when the HD in my Mac finally gave up the ghost.
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fwiw, i piggy backed something similar in this thread starting with post 12.
now as to the time capsule, the concept is great and goalie-parents use it and the fact that there are additional ethernet ports and a usb port make things good if hooking up a wired usb printer or a wireless printer via ethernet.
t/c works well tho the initial backup may take up to and perhaps longer than 24 hours (and if you do go with t/c, i do recommend downloading "time machine editor" as it allows you to change the back-up settings on t/c to whatever you want vs hourly, daily weekly etc as i find not being able to set my own b/u schedule a pita)
myself, i use the time machine software but with an external drive for back-up and it did save my bacon on my ancient (and slow laptop) as the h/d crashed but after 18 hours (i told you it was slow)
the only "issue" i have with my set up is that where i use an external firewire drive, i need to physically connect it to the laptop to back up but since it's only once/week, i leave the drive permanently connected to my i-mac and just un-plug it from the imac and plug it into the laptop. now, if my router had a usb port then it would make life a bit easier as the drive has both fw 400 & 800 and usb 2.0 ports
now as to the time capsule, the concept is great and goalie-parents use it and the fact that there are additional ethernet ports and a usb port make things good if hooking up a wired usb printer or a wireless printer via ethernet.
t/c works well tho the initial backup may take up to and perhaps longer than 24 hours (and if you do go with t/c, i do recommend downloading "time machine editor" as it allows you to change the back-up settings on t/c to whatever you want vs hourly, daily weekly etc as i find not being able to set my own b/u schedule a pita)
myself, i use the time machine software but with an external drive for back-up and it did save my bacon on my ancient (and slow laptop) as the h/d crashed but after 18 hours (i told you it was slow)
the only "issue" i have with my set up is that where i use an external firewire drive, i need to physically connect it to the laptop to back up but since it's only once/week, i leave the drive permanently connected to my i-mac and just un-plug it from the imac and plug it into the laptop. now, if my router had a usb port then it would make life a bit easier as the drive has both fw 400 & 800 and usb 2.0 ports
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If you're getting a Mac, get an Airport. I know it's a little more $$, but it's easy to set up, and the software is built into the system, unlike the &*$%*$ D-Link router I used to have.
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fwiw, i piggy backed something similar in this thread starting with post 12....
I'm still torn between the simplicity of a Time Capsule and its reliability issues. I'd rather have one simple device sitting on the counter, but I will look for a N class router that will take either a firewire or esata drive.
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This is an ongoing concern of mine. The more stuff becomes all-in-one, the less clutter you have, but at the same time you can't just swap out pieces if something breaks. My thinking is that if it's mission critical, flexibility wins out.
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i was going to go the t/c route when i inherited goalie-mom's laptop but it tuned out my dsl modem was so/too old and it wouldn't work and after calling at&, they deiced to send me a new wireless modem & router for free as i'm a long time customer
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Ok - having set up a TimeMachine share on a linux server, I can safely say that it's not simple.
Apple has engineered the software to make it rather difficult at best. It CAN be done as you suggest, but you'll have to jump through some hoops first.
There are several websites with how-tos. They're all pretty specific to a single setup (like a particular vendor's NAS box). You'll need to read a couple and see how to apply the information to your particular setup.
And the big caveat: While the time machine will work for normal activities, it may not support a full restore as there are settings that need to be tweaked on the Mac. If you get a new one and want to restore from timemachine, you may not be able to break into the normal restore process to update those settings.
Apple has engineered the software to make it rather difficult at best. It CAN be done as you suggest, but you'll have to jump through some hoops first.
There are several websites with how-tos. They're all pretty specific to a single setup (like a particular vendor's NAS box). You'll need to read a couple and see how to apply the information to your particular setup.
And the big caveat: While the time machine will work for normal activities, it may not support a full restore as there are settings that need to be tweaked on the Mac. If you get a new one and want to restore from timemachine, you may not be able to break into the normal restore process to update those settings.
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Ok - having set up a TimeMachine share on a linux server, I can safely say that it's not simple.
Apple has engineered the software to make it rather difficult at best. It CAN be done as you suggest, but you'll have to jump through some hoops first.
There are several websites with how-tos. They're all pretty specific to a single setup (like a particular vendor's NAS box). You'll need to read a couple and see how to apply the information to your particular setup.
And the big caveat: While the time machine will work for normal activities, it may not support a full restore as there are settings that need to be tweaked on the Mac. If you get a new one and want to restore from timemachine, you may not be able to break into the normal restore process to update those settings.
Apple has engineered the software to make it rather difficult at best. It CAN be done as you suggest, but you'll have to jump through some hoops first.
There are several websites with how-tos. They're all pretty specific to a single setup (like a particular vendor's NAS box). You'll need to read a couple and see how to apply the information to your particular setup.
And the big caveat: While the time machine will work for normal activities, it may not support a full restore as there are settings that need to be tweaked on the Mac. If you get a new one and want to restore from timemachine, you may not be able to break into the normal restore process to update those settings.
fwiw, when i had to do a full restore this past july after i replaced the laptop h/d due to a hd crash, the full restore worked flawlessly and all settings were retained. it just takes time based on the speed of your machine and in my case, as i was restoring from goalie-parents time capsule, it also took time due to it being done over wifi
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regarding a full restore via time machine and using apple's time capsule......
fwiw, when i had to do a full restore this past july after i replaced the laptop h/d due to a hd crash, the full restore worked flawlessly and all settings were retained. it just takes time based on the speed of your machine and in my case, as i was restoring from goalie-parents time capsule, it also took time due to it being done over wifi
fwiw, when i had to do a full restore this past july after i replaced the laptop h/d due to a hd crash, the full restore worked flawlessly and all settings were retained. it just takes time based on the speed of your machine and in my case, as i was restoring from goalie-parents time capsule, it also took time due to it being done over wifi
I've not had any issues with my TC and it seems to tolerate the occasional power outage just fine.
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I use my Time Capsule with a couple of macs. What I suggest for the initial backup--as opposed to the incremental backups--is to go ahead and run a wired connection between the Time Capsule and your Mac but only for that first backup. Do this also if you need to do a full restore. That way you can take advantage of the speed of the wired connection for the large data transfers.
I've not had any issues with my TC and it seems to tolerate the occasional power outage just fine.
I've not had any issues with my TC and it seems to tolerate the occasional power outage just fine.

forgot about that as that's how i did the initial back up of goalie-mom's laptop after "learning the hard way"
when backing up goalie-parent's i-mac.now, fwiw, these are the instructions i used to connect the laptop via ethernet and it worked (and feel free to correct as needed
)Connecting The Time Capsule Via Ethernet
- Connect one end of a Cat-5 Ethernet cable into one of the LAN ports of the TC (<•••>).
- Connect the other end to your Macs ethernet port.
- Open Network Preferences.
- At the top change "Location:" to "Ethernet Connection".
- In the list on the left "Ethernet" should be at the top of the list. (If not use the Action Menu (gear button) at the bottom to "Set Service Order".)
- Click "Apply" in the lower right.
- Give it a moment to acquire an IP address from the TC.
- You should now be connected.
- Now begin your initial backup.
- Now that you are reconnected to the TC, you should still have internet access during the backup.
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I setup my own linux TC based on a network-attached drive. It worked, but Time Machine would not always reliably find the drive and start the backup. I ended up buying a TC, and I haven't had any problems. A lot of the criticisms I've read are based on initial backup time, and that's easily solved.
Apple recently cut the price of a 1TB TC in half. Were you aware of this?
My biggest gripe with the TC is lack of compliance with RFC 1918. For the 10.0.0.0 network, you can't have NAT clients in anything that doens't start 10.0.X.Y. All of my printers and media devices were in 10.30.50.X, and all had to be renumbered, along with the clients that pointed to them. It was a royal pain.
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Use a Cat-5e cable or Cat 6, as the Time Capsule ports are gig Ethernet.
I setup my own linux TC based on a network-attached drive. It worked, but Time Machine would not always reliably find the drive and start the backup. I ended up buying a TC, and I haven't had any problems. A lot of the criticisms I've read are based on initial backup time, and that's easily solved.
Apple recently cut the price of a 1TB TC in half. Were you aware of this?
My biggest gripe with the TC is lack of compliance with RFC 1918. For the 10.0.0.0 network, you can't have NAT clients in anything that doens't start 10.0.X.Y. All of my printers and media devices were in 10.30.50.X, and all had to be renumbered, along with the clients that pointed to them. It was a royal pain.
I setup my own linux TC based on a network-attached drive. It worked, but Time Machine would not always reliably find the drive and start the backup. I ended up buying a TC, and I haven't had any problems. A lot of the criticisms I've read are based on initial backup time, and that's easily solved.
Apple recently cut the price of a 1TB TC in half. Were you aware of this?
My biggest gripe with the TC is lack of compliance with RFC 1918. For the 10.0.0.0 network, you can't have NAT clients in anything that doens't start 10.0.X.Y. All of my printers and media devices were in 10.30.50.X, and all had to be renumbered, along with the clients that pointed to them. It was a royal pain.
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Since I don't need to back up everything on the machines, I use Dropbox and sync all my documents across three Macs and a W7 Netbook. No hardware, and I have all of my files wherever I am.

