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Old Feb 14, 2008 | 3:34 pm
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Yahoo works fine for me...

Been using Yahoo for about 7 years now... for the past three that includes a professional consulting domain version as well as the "personal" address. I'm still using the "classic" version from inertia as much as anything else.

Spam filter works quite well... seldom grabs a real email (althought it always pays to check) and almost never allows a spam offer through to the regular mail. Search feature is a charm... and I like traditional folders to store things in.

Interested in the Google alternative, more from using google docs than anything else, but not really a reason to change everything over.

A new eeePC just arrived today... one of my first uses will be checking to see how the Yahoo email looks on the 7" screen. And from there to an impending smart phone in the next couple of weeks with Yahoo2Go.


Originally Posted by sophiegirl
Does anyone have any recommendations for email account providers? I am looking for one "freebie" (yahoo, hotmail, etc) and possibly one that I would be willing to pay for if it seemed worth it (allowing for superior folder capabilities, saving capacity,etc)

I can USE email, but that is about the extent of my technie knowledge, so remember to be kind to us old folk in your response
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Old Feb 14, 2008 | 3:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Bestbob
Been using Yahoo for about 7 years now... for the past three that includes a professional consulting domain version as well as the "personal" address. I'm still using the "classic" version from inertia as much as anything else.

Spam filter works quite well... seldom grabs a real email (althought it always pays to check) and almost never allows a spam offer through to the regular mail. Search feature is a charm... and I like traditional folders to store things in.
I like the way Yahoo mail organizes its webmail. But the big reason I migrated to Gmail from the domain + hosting pro version of Yahoo is that Yahoo's spam filter was snagging too much ham and not as much spam as Yahoo's. Incredibly, Yahoo's spam filter actually believes the date of forward-dated spam mail. This meant I would have to wade through pages and pages of email dated from the year 2038 before I could get to the correctly-dated portion of the mailbox to find the ham that was snagged by the filter!

For $10 + $25 per year, IMO the Yahoo Pro product is inferior to free Gmail.
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Old Feb 14, 2008 | 4:34 pm
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The only downside to Gmail is the damned "on behalf of " messages.

I use the google Apps version of so I can send emails from my primary domain. However, with multiple domains, its critical for me to be able to email from any of those domains. Gmail causes outlook clients to receive "On Behalf of " before my email address when I'm sending from emails other than my primary domain. Even though I have those domains also going through Google's servers.

Its a huge pain. Yahoo plus is better in that regard. Although, I really really prefer Gmail though.
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Old Feb 15, 2008 | 6:59 pm
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Been using yahoo mail about a decade now and gmail about four years. I do prefer the interface and ease of yahoo mail, and the way the system works. I don't like the threaded view of Gmail and the lack of true folders.

The other thing I really don't like about gmail (and i DO use about five accounts now) is that when accessing from clients, if I want the email OFF the client, phone or outlook it deletes the mail completly from the gmail. I wish I could just get delete WITHOUT deleting. Although, sometimes I DO like to delete and have it delete. It isn't that big a deal, but I have to constantly LEAVE messages on my phone that I don't want on the phone, but DO want to save in gmail.
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Old Feb 15, 2008 | 7:17 pm
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i initially had hotmail then yahoo... and now, im sticking to gmail... it gives u more space and so far, havent received any spam mails.
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Old Feb 15, 2008 | 8:08 pm
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Originally Posted by LordHamster
The only downside to Gmail is the damned "on behalf of " messages.
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Gmail causes outlook clients to receive "On Behalf of " before my email address when I'm sending from emails other than my primary domain. Even though I have those domains also going through Google's servers.
I would think if you just set it up in outlook as either a POP/IMAP email account with it's own SMTP account for sending email, it wouldn't do that. I suppose I could be wrong.

Anyway, t-bird and other email clients don't do that. I'm pretty sure outlook is capable of dealing properly with multiple email accounts if you set it up correctly. I confess, I've only used outlook (in any form) rarely.

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Old Feb 15, 2008 | 8:13 pm
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Originally Posted by nmenaker
The other thing I really don't like about gmail (and i DO use about five accounts now) is that when accessing from clients, if I want the email OFF the client, phone or outlook it deletes the mail completly from the gmail. I wish I could just get delete WITHOUT deleting. Although, sometimes I DO like to delete and have it delete. It isn't that big a deal, but I have to constantly LEAVE messages on my phone that I don't want on the phone, but DO want to save in gmail.
It's not deleting the email on gmail unless you have gmail configured that way. It saves everything except things in the trash/junk folder. It does remove them from your inbox though when you delete them on the client when using IMAP. You can configure the client to use the POP server and do it either way.

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Old Feb 15, 2008 | 8:36 pm
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Originally Posted by nmenaker
Been using yahoo mail about a decade now and gmail about four years. I do prefer the interface and ease of yahoo mail, and the way the system works. I don't like the threaded view of Gmail and the lack of true folders.

The other thing I really don't like about gmail (and i DO use about five accounts now) is that when accessing from clients, if I want the email OFF the client, phone or outlook it deletes the mail completly from the gmail. I wish I could just get delete WITHOUT deleting. Although, sometimes I DO like to delete and have it delete. It isn't that big a deal, but I have to constantly LEAVE messages on my phone that I don't want on the phone, but DO want to save in gmail.
What device do you use ?

When I delete with my BlackBerry it asks deleting on handheld, account or both... pretty convenient !
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 7:10 pm
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Originally Posted by LIH Prem
I would think if you just set it up in outlook as either a POP/IMAP email account with it's own SMTP account for sending email, it wouldn't do that. I suppose I could be wrong.

Anyway, t-bird and other email clients don't do that. I'm pretty sure outlook is capable of dealing properly with multiple email accounts if you set it up correctly. I confess, I've only used outlook (in any form) rarely.

-David
I'm not talking about me using Outlook to send via Gmail. I'm talking about my recipients getting my emails. If the recipient happens to be using a recent version of outlook, then he gets the "on behalf of " message... this is when I'm using the Gmail web interface to send as Gmail is meant to be used.
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 7:32 pm
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Originally Posted by LordHamster
I'm not talking about me using Outlook to send via Gmail. I'm talking about my recipients getting my emails. If the recipient happens to be using a recent version of outlook, then he gets the "on behalf of " message... this is when I'm using the Gmail web interface to send as Gmail is meant to be used.
It sounds to me like you have multiple domains in a single Apps account setup, and you're choosing to send using different accounts, which results in the 'on behalf of' bit for any send domain other than your primary, right? If so, this is apparently a known issue with Google Apps. If you have multiple aliases in your primary domain it works normally, but using different domains causes the 'on behalf of' bit. Sorry it doesn't work for you.

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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 7:39 pm
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Originally Posted by LordHamster
The only downside to Gmail is the damned "on behalf of " messages.

I use the google Apps version of so I can send emails from my primary domain. However, with multiple domains, its critical for me to be able to email from any of those domains. Gmail causes outlook clients to receive "On Behalf of " before my email address when I'm sending from emails other than my primary domain. Even though I have those domains also going through Google's servers.

Its a huge pain. Yahoo plus is better in that regard. Although, I really really prefer Gmail though.
The thing to remember here is that Gmail is following the RFC specs for email messages.

There is a "Sender" field that has to be populated if you are not sending the email from the email in the "From" field.

I too find it annoying but that is how it is supposed to actually work.
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 7:50 pm
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Originally Posted by blahter
The thing to remember here is that Gmail is following the RFC specs for email messages.

There is a "Sender" field that has to be populated if you are not sending the email from the email in the "From" field.

I too find it annoying but that is how it is supposed to actually work.
I think that this is subject to interpretation. If I am the owner of two different domains and choose to send from both of them then there is no reason that the from and sender addresses need to be different, especially if inbound email replies all end up in the same mailbox.
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 9:38 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12
It sounds to me like you have multiple domains in a single Apps account setup, and you're choosing to send using different accounts, which results in the 'on behalf of' bit for any send domain other than your primary, right? If so, this is apparently a known issue with Google Apps. If you have multiple aliases in your primary domain it works normally, but using different domains causes the 'on behalf of' bit. Sorry it doesn't work for you.
Exactly, you got it spot on.

All my domains run through my main domain's Google apps account. They are set up as validated Aliases who's MX headers point to google servers. I own these domains, can recieve email (via google's servers) at these domains etc, there is no reason in this case for the sender to be the primary mailbox.

I understand why they do it in the case of regular Gmail, but in the case where the MX records for all the domains are hosted with Gmail, its silly.
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