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I don't like the battery situation but I'm getting one. Uhmmm. Anybody interested in a used MCB Pro in a good condition? I will have one for sale in two weeks. ;)
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We'll have to talk. :)
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Maybe that is why they also introduced the "Time Capsule".
Originally Posted by msb0b
(Post 9075429)
Apple really dropped the ball with the battery design. They are quick to address it though. It appears like replacement batteries will come with free installation. But changing battery in the middle of a long-haul flight is still out of question.
It will be interesting to see how the geniuses will perform data recovery on the Air. It does not have a firewire port so firewire target mode is out. |
When can we touch and feel?
My son visited 5th Ave Manhattan store last night (early evening) and no demo units on the floor to touch, play with. Any idea when they'll be in the stores, or will they come in same time as when regular orders shipped (i.e. 2 wks)?
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Originally Posted by dtsm
(Post 9082291)
My son visited 5th Ave Manhattan store last night (early evening) and no demo units on the floor to touch, play with. Any idea when they'll be in the stores, or will they come in same time as when regular orders shipped (i.e. 2 wks)?
Feb 6 is what I've been hearing. |
Ordered mine. Could care less about the battery. I never carry a spare. I want thin and light. This is 40% lighter than my MacBook with a longer battery life.
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What on earth is anybody fussing about this MacBook for? Seriously - it is a downgrade from a laptop that has been around for years.
I'm not sure what the fuss is here. Last I checked my Panasonic Y5M weighs 3.3 lbs, has a 14" screen with 1400 x 1050 pixels), runs Vista, battery lasts 8 hours on wi-fi with no tricks -using an Intel low voltage CPU running at 1.83GHz. And yes, it has a built-in DVD-RW. It weighs 3.3lbs. If I want to, I can swap in an even bigger removable battery that only takes it to 3.5 lbs and lasts even longer. No fee for the change either. :p:p That model (Y5) has been around for like 2 years. Earlier models, the Y4 and Y2, have been around for at least half a decade and had battery life closer to 10-12 hours! So, what are we left with? An upgraded touchpad? Wow...... |
Wouldn't swap my Toshiba R500 for this for anything!!! (890 grams without the optical drive)
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You guys realize you don't have to buy one, right? People are carrying on like it's a federal law that requires them to immediately give up their beloved whatever machines that look like Soviet surplus and buy the sexy new Mac. Great news: you don't have to! Keep your Windows laptop, and nobody will care! Those of us who want the MBA will buy it.
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Originally Posted by osamede
(Post 9084732)
What on earth is anybody fussing about this MacBook for? Seriously - it is a downgrade from a laptop that has been around for years.
I'm not sure what the fuss is here. Last I checked my Panasonic Y5M weighs 3.3 lbs, has a 14" screen with 1400 x 1050 pixels), runs Vista, battery lasts 8 hours on wi-fi with no tricks -using an Intel low voltage CPU running at 1.83GHz. And yes, it has a built-in DVD-RW. It weighs 3.3lbs. If I want to, I can swap in an even bigger removable battery that only takes it to 3.5 lbs and lasts even longer. No fee for the change either. :p:p That model (Y5) has been around for like 2 years. Earlier models, the Y4 and Y2, have been around for at least half a decade and had battery life closer to 10-12 hours! So, what are we left with? An upgraded touchpad? Wow...... MacOS is much more flexible. I run both Mac and XP ( I have a handful of apps that I use in XP) operating systems on mine, an with X11 installed (its free on the install discs) I can interact very well with my Linux servers remotely. |
Sure we dont have to buy it - and certainly I wouldn't. Just wondering what the fuss is when there have been better small laptops out there - for years, not even months.
The ultraportable market is something that used to be a strength for apple for years. In my first consulting out of grad school in the 90's, I remember we were issued Apple laptops - because they were the leader then. That got me going with ultraportables and since then, that type of laptop has been the only type I have ever bought. But from that time in the 90's, apple totally abandoned the ultraportable market - and truth is the core buyers in that field have moved on and done fine without them since then since the Japanese makers have been producing great machine, easily accessible in the west via importers. So Apple certainly have lost my business - and this unit here isn't going to win it back, because it is actually a worse spec than the best 3lb laptops -adding nothing new but a fancy touchpad. An SSD hard drive, well I can buy that anytime and stick in my laptop anytime - without violating any warranty, which apple does to force you to buy upgrades from them. more on Apple's marketing tricks: when Apple says this laptop is "around 3 lbs", what they really mean is significantly more than 3lb, but barely under 4lbs. At which point, the comparison gets even harsher for apple, since this thing cant at compete with market leading 3lb units, let alone 4lb ones. So no, I don't have to buy it, but i don't wantto - at all. But then again maybe that is because I have been a consultant and I know about taking old wine and pouring into new bottles with a shiny label. :D:D:D
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 9085207)
One word. Vista.
MacOS is much more flexible. I run both Mac and XP ( I have a handful of apps that I use in XP) operating systems on mine, an with X11 installed (its free on the install discs) I can interact very well with my Linux servers remotely. So at the end of the day I'm more interested in buying the best hardware there is in ultraportables - the OS is not a differentiator at all. Mac hasn't been producing that hardware for years - and now that they are bothering to try, they are still not hitting the best-in-class mark, instead trying to pull the wool over buyer's eyes. So no, there is nothing about Vista that makes Mac compelling and certainly not when applied to a MacBook that equates roughly to a 3-4 year old Panasonic Y4 that you could pick up on ebay for probably $800. And cant beat my year old Y5 that is worth maybe $1200 used today. So I look forward to Apple providing some beef with the sizzle next time. Ultraportable buyers are pretty open minded - but not gullible. |
Why are you lying? Weight is 3.0 pounds. Making things up out of whole cloth in an attempt to shore up a faulty argument is no different than trolling.
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We get the same kind of posts every time Apple comes out with something new.
The iPod lacks certain features (FM, expandability, removable battery, etc), yet is is still wildly popular. The iPhone is the same; missing 3G, memory upgradability, FM radio, removable battery, yet when people use one they overwhelmingly, more than any other phone, love it. I like reading contrarian views and find the posts where people try to justify their old "machines that look like Soviet surplus" ^ entertaining. I think we will see design cues from the Air trickle into the regular MacBook and MacBook Pro systems in addition to the flood of copies other companies will come up with. |
Originally Posted by osamede
(Post 9085234)
Sure we dont have to buy it - and certainly I wouldn't. Just wondering what the fuss is when there have been better small laptops out there - for years, not even months.
The ultraportable market is something that used to be a strength for apple for years. In my first consulting out of grad school in the 90's, I remember we were issued Apple laptops - because they were the leader then. That got me going with ultraportables and since then, that type of laptop has been the only type I have ever bought. But from that time in the 90's, apple totally abandoned the ultraportable market - and truth is the core buyers in that field have moved on and done fine without them since then since the Japanese makers have been producing great machine, easily accessible in the west via importers. So Apple certainly have lost my business - and this unit here isn't going to win it back, because it is actually a worse spec than the best 3lb laptops -adding nothing new but a fancy touchpad. An SSD hard drive, well I can buy that anytime and stick in my laptop anytime - without violating any warranty, which apple does to force you to buy upgrades from them. more on Apple's marketing tricks: when Apple says this laptop is "around 3 lbs", what they really mean is significantly more than 3lb, but barely under 4lbs. At which point, the comparison gets even harsher for apple, since this thing cant at compete with market leading 3lb units, let alone 4lb ones. So no, I don't have to buy it, but i don't wantto - at all. But then again maybe that is because I have been a consultant and I know about taking old wine and pouring into new bottles with a shiny label. :D:D:D Dunno what you're on about. I like Vista. There is nothing about Mac that leaves me wanting to rush to that OS. And as I said, i dont have an inhereht bias. if anything I should have wanted to stick with Mac after years of schools with Macs, Mac laptop on my first job and Mac's at the last company I worked at. But Mac isnt any holy grail. Its okay, its no "wow" experience. So at the end of the day I'm more interested in buying the best hardware there is in ultraportables - the OS is not a differentiator at all. Mac hasn't been producing that hardware for years - and now that they are bothering to try, they are still not hitting the best-in-class mark, instead trying to pull the wool over buyer's eyes. So no, there is nothing about Vista that makes Mac compelling and certainly not when applied to a MacBook that equates roughly to a 3-4 year old Panasonic Y4 that you could pick up on ebay for probably $800. And cant beat my year old Y5 that is worth maybe $1200 used today. So I look forward to Apple providing some beef with the sizzle next time. Ultraportable buyers are pretty open minded - but not gullible. |
Originally Posted by Tummy
(Post 9085435)
We get the same kind of posts every time Apple comes out with something new.
The iPod lacks certain features (FM, expandability, removable battery, etc), yet is is still wildly popular. The iPhone is the same; missing 3G, memory upgradability, FM radio, removable battery, yet when people use one they overwhelmingly, more than any other phone, love it.. I have no doubt that this setup will be fine for people who have people been conditioned to accept it, ie Ipod owners. But is nothing short of a backward step in user-friendliness - and one that will boost Apple's profitability too. Unfortunately, that sort of thing seems to be something of a signature move by Apple. And I cant apologize to anyone for underlining how cynical and negative that is. So what exactly is the benefit then of this backward move? That, I still struggle with, having pointed out that there nothing in the MacBook Air that any Panasonic Y5 owner, for example didn't already have last year and even in 2006.............no, wait: they actually have had better features, in a more durable package with a longer-life, removable battery. Which is why I think some objectivity is necessary, rather than logo-waving. I would prefer to see apple make some meaningful advances in this product category, changes that make me more productive - and market THAT to me, instead of bundling a fancy touchpad and a logo into a laptop worse than what I already have. I mean, what could a touchpad and a logo be worth, really? Apparently quite a lot it seems, well.....to some people at least. :p But I wonder how many would spend that much on this laptop, or buy it at all, if Asus had put their logo on it before it left their factory and got sent it to the Apple store. :p :p |
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