Comparing T61 and T61p
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They are tiny by default; easily changed for both Vista and apps running under Vista. Less easily changed in other environments (but also possible for the most part). This used to be a big issue but I really think it is solved and shouldn't be a consideration in selecting the screen resolultion these days.
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That is the important point; Lenovo has effectively merged the 2 products so that they can be configured identically; it is the model number (3 digit) that counts, and not the T61 vs. T61p distinction. The chassis always was identical, but in the past the p series had big hardware differences; these are gone now. Both excellent choices....
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The screen resolution (and quality) is an important consideration. Each of the available screen choices has a difference and if you are picky then it matters a lot. My personal favourite is the original 1400x1050 display, which is gorgeous, but some people cannot stand it. Now I would only buy the 1200x1600 (or 1920 in widescreen)because I really need the screen real estate. For mobile use, the 15.4 inch is a lot bulkier than the 14.1 -- amazing the difference an inch makes.
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The screen resolution (and quality) is an important consideration. Each of the available screen choices has a difference and if you are picky then it matters a lot. My personal favourite is the original 1400x1050 display, which is gorgeous, but some people cannot stand it. Now I would only buy the 1200x1600 (or 1920 in widescreen)because I really need the screen real estate. For mobile use, the 15.4 inch is a lot bulkier than the 14.1 -- amazing the difference an inch makes.
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We recently polled users who are ready to upgrade. They also refused the 15.4 inch versions due to size and weight and opt for 14.1 inch screens. Of course they all have LCD monitors on their desk.
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As for the battery life comments on this thread, they are true for XP but less true for Vista. One of the big improvements in Vista is power management (much of it due to the new driver model), so some of the high power graphics mobile chipsets will run in low-power mode for "desktop" use. Doubles the battery life. Turning off Aero increases it even more. My new Vista notebook really surprised me with the increased battery life, it wasn't something I expected.
As for the battery life comments on this thread, they are true for XP but less true for Vista. One of the big improvements in Vista is power management (much of it due to the new driver model), so some of the high power graphics mobile chipsets will run in low-power mode for "desktop" use. Doubles the battery life. Turning off Aero increases it even more. My new Vista notebook really surprised me with the increased battery life, it wasn't something I expected.
The nVidia Quadro FX 570M inside the T61p for sure will draw more power when it is on even if you compare the p and non-p models with the same WSXGA+ LCD.
If you use the machine on A/C most of the time, it will be a non-issue. I use my A31p on A/C almost all of the time.
These are the reasons I feel 4GB in a p version will be more power hungry. Vista probably will improve battery life some but I doubt it will be noticeable. Our IT policy is to install new OS a year after they come out, so we are ready to install Vista on our machines bought a year ago.
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Otherwise your comments are 100% correct for the older chipsets and memory controllers; but no current T series Thinkpad uses that technology any more -- and does benefit from longer battery life even with 4GB memory. The hardware came circa 2006, the software a year later (and few people realize it, apparently).
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Intel added the capability for newer chipsets (starting with 945GM, I think) to control this and some drivers implement a lower power memory refresh. Quite significant (I know some Vista drivers have it, and Linux is working on it but don't think it is released yet, don't think Mac has it yet). If you are interested in this significant new technology, see the intel site and look for things like Memory Row Power Management (DRPM) and Conditional Memory Self-Refresh (CMSR).
Otherwise your comments are 100% correct for the older chipsets and memory controllers; but no current T series Thinkpad uses that technology any more -- and does benefit from longer battery life even with 4GB memory. The hardware came circa 2006, the software a year later (and few people realize it, apparently).
Otherwise your comments are 100% correct for the older chipsets and memory controllers; but no current T series Thinkpad uses that technology any more -- and does benefit from longer battery life even with 4GB memory. The hardware came circa 2006, the software a year later (and few people realize it, apparently).
http://www.jedec.org/memory_program/program.htm
I suspect my T60 still don't have it. Frankly I expected more battery life from my machine. Although I have the big battery, I really hate to carry it on a trip. The X60s' some colleagues have are great on battery life but they have a tiny screen. For our work, we typically only use 1GB of RAM and I've only recently gone to 2GB.
RAM usage bit growth had not been increasing as rapidly as in the past. So the RAM pricing is in the dump this fall. Now you can buy 1GB for about $20. Order the single SODIMM option in any case to leave one empty slot for adding RAM in the future.
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The screen resolution (and quality) is an important consideration. Each of the available screen choices has a difference and if you are picky then it matters a lot. My personal favourite is the original 1400x1050 display, which is gorgeous, but some people cannot stand it. Now I would only buy the 1200x1600 (or 1920 in widescreen)because I really need the screen real estate. For mobile use, the 15.4 inch is a lot bulkier than the 14.1 -- amazing the difference an inch makes.
I'm regretting buying the widescreen T61, although they do not offer 4:3 T61s in Australia any more (or at least not when I bought it): the bulk is just annoying and excessive. I don't get much additional value out of the width. I find 1400x1050 a small struggle on 14.1" screens, so for me my R40 was perfect.
As for the battery life comments on this thread, they are true for XP but less true for Vista. One of the big improvements in Vista is power management (much of it due to the new driver model), so some of the high power graphics mobile chipsets will run in low-power mode for "desktop" use. Doubles the battery life. Turning off Aero increases it even more. My new Vista notebook really surprised me with the increased battery life, it wasn't something I expected.
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All T60s/T61s/T61ps I've used in the last year have still carried their respective model numbers on them.
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They are tiny by default; easily changed for both Vista and apps running under Vista. Less easily changed in other environments (but also possible for the most part). This used to be a big issue but I really think it is solved and shouldn't be a consideration in selecting the screen resolultion these days.
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There should still be a product model which looks like NNNN-XXX. My R40 was 2722-GDM. All IBM/Lenovo products should carry this, and it is really specific right down to the config the product left the factory with.
All T60s/T61s/T61ps I've used in the last year have still carried their respective model numbers on them.
All T60s/T61s/T61ps I've used in the last year have still carried their respective model numbers on them.

