Moving Domains
#16
Join Date: Jul 2004
Programs: CO Gold; SPG Gold***; AvisFirst;
Posts: 3,970
Even if there is a 24-72hr propagation delay in DNS, most SMTP servers will simply keep retrying is they can't connect to a host so you wouldn't actually loose any email. It just might show up in the old email account. Try and keep both accounts open until the entire switch is completed.
#17
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SNA Rwy 20L
Programs: QF Silver
Posts: 703
One other thing -- if you're going to hire someone else to design your webpages & stuff you can usually negotiate a package price with them to host your site. Nice to have a single point of contact in case things aren't working. Just make sure that -you- own the domain name and the rights to the html source.
#18
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: US CP, *wood Gold, Marriott gold, Hilton something
Posts: 1,458
I just moved from enom (registerfly) to godaddy for a few domains...those are not being treated as spam by some fortune 100 companies... Basically since the smtp dropped and then changed within a 72 hour period apparently that means I'm a spambot.
#19

Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: DSM
Programs: "I COME FROM Des Moines. Somebody had to." -- Bill Bryson
Posts: 1,135

I have found that having an SPF record in my DNS has helped to not be labeled a spam bot. Larger companies tend to pay attention to SPF reords. Please don't confuse the true SPF with Microsoft's version which simply confuses things. I would recommend that everyone setup SPF records. It has cut down considerably on spam, and my domains being tagged as spam bots.
BTW, I host most of my domains through HE.net but do have one godaddy domain. I much prefer HE.net as their servers seem faster and I have much more granular control over my domain/virtual host setup.
#20
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SNA Rwy 20L
Programs: QF Silver
Posts: 703
When I added SPF txt records I found that it helped with about half the sites that didn't like my little outpost server on the outer rim. I still have to forward a few outbound domains through my ISP. I suspect I'm getting tagged through the reverse DNS lookup which doesn't look much like me or my ISP.
#21
Suspended
Join Date: Feb 2000
Posts: 13,344
Ok a quick question here.
The web hosting company for our church is about to go under (illness). I have all the webfiles backed up and am ready to shift to dreamhost - probably today.
If the other site goes down in the 24-72 hr transfer period, does that mean we have no web presence during that time?
What about email?
Our registrant and webhost are 2 different companies. Our registration is locked (donated to us) and we don't want to shift that - just the website.
I am reading the wiki's from dreamhost but am a bit confused... any suggestions on how to do this as painlessly as possible?
The web hosting company for our church is about to go under (illness). I have all the webfiles backed up and am ready to shift to dreamhost - probably today.
If the other site goes down in the 24-72 hr transfer period, does that mean we have no web presence during that time?
What about email?
Our registrant and webhost are 2 different companies. Our registration is locked (donated to us) and we don't want to shift that - just the website.
I am reading the wiki's from dreamhost but am a bit confused... any suggestions on how to do this as painlessly as possible?
#22
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Sep 2000
Programs: BA, AA, DL, KLM, UA
Posts: 37,489
Ok a quick question here.
The web hosting company for our church is about to go under (illness). I have all the webfiles backed up and am ready to shift to dreamhost - probably today.
If the other site goes down in the 24-72 hr transfer period, does that mean we have no web presence during that time?
What about email?
Our registrant and webhost are 2 different companies. Our registration is locked (donated to us) and we don't want to shift that - just the website.
I am reading the wiki's from dreamhost but am a bit confused... any suggestions on how to do this as painlessly as possible?
The web hosting company for our church is about to go under (illness). I have all the webfiles backed up and am ready to shift to dreamhost - probably today.
If the other site goes down in the 24-72 hr transfer period, does that mean we have no web presence during that time?
What about email?
Our registrant and webhost are 2 different companies. Our registration is locked (donated to us) and we don't want to shift that - just the website.
I am reading the wiki's from dreamhost but am a bit confused... any suggestions on how to do this as painlessly as possible?
I made sure the site was correctly configured at dreamhost, then changed the DNS entries at Godaddy. 20 minutes later the Dreamhost site was live, and 1and1 was gone.
A quick tip: put some kind of text on the new hosters pages so you know which hoster you are hitting.
Thankfully DNS propogation is much quicker nowadays. I remember having to wait 4 days for a domain to be live, nowadays with Godaddy it's ready in under half an hour.
#23

Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: DSM
Programs: "I COME FROM Des Moines. Somebody had to." -- Bill Bryson
Posts: 1,135
Ok a quick question here.
The web hosting company for our church is about to go under (illness). I have all the webfiles backed up and am ready to shift to dreamhost - probably today.
If the other site goes down in the 24-72 hr transfer period, does that mean we have no web presence during that time?
What about email?
Our registrant and webhost are 2 different companies. Our registration is locked (donated to us) and we don't want to shift that - just the website.
I am reading the wiki's from dreamhost but am a bit confused... any suggestions on how to do this as painlessly as possible?
The web hosting company for our church is about to go under (illness). I have all the webfiles backed up and am ready to shift to dreamhost - probably today.
If the other site goes down in the 24-72 hr transfer period, does that mean we have no web presence during that time?
What about email?
Our registrant and webhost are 2 different companies. Our registration is locked (donated to us) and we don't want to shift that - just the website.
I am reading the wiki's from dreamhost but am a bit confused... any suggestions on how to do this as painlessly as possible?
#24

Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: DSM
Programs: "I COME FROM Des Moines. Somebody had to." -- Bill Bryson
Posts: 1,135
When I added SPF txt records I found that it helped with about half the sites that didn't like my little outpost server on the outer rim. I still have to forward a few outbound domains through my ISP. I suspect I'm getting tagged through the reverse DNS lookup which doesn't look much like me or my ISP.
It amazes me how many "email experts" in companys have no idea how DNS really works and how MX, text and other records impact email.
#25
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Newport Beach, California, USA
Posts: 36,062
This was exactly my experience when I moved to Dreamhost (thanks, Scott, for recommending them -- they've been terrific). I think my email and website were up and running on Dreamhost in 5 to 10 minutes. Godaddy seems very good about propagating domain changes through the DNS system.
#26
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: on the Llano Estacado
Posts: 2,652
I appreciate what ScottC and Ptravel have said about GoDaddy service, but please note that GoDaddy cannot control DNS propogation, though they can certainly aid it by handling changes properly and in a timely manner. While you may see your website almost immediately, this does not mean that a customer across the planet or even in the same town with a different ISP will see it on the first or even second day after a change.
#27
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Newport Beach, California, USA
Posts: 36,062
I appreciate what ScottC and Ptravel have said about GoDaddy service, but please note that GoDaddy cannot control DNS propogation, though they can certainly aid it by handling changes properly and in a timely manner. While you may see your website almost immediately, this does not mean that a customer across the planet or even in the same town with a different ISP will see it on the first or even second day after a change.
#28
Join Date: Jul 2004
Programs: CO Gold; SPG Gold***; AvisFirst;
Posts: 3,970
That's controlled by the OLD DNS record + settings at individual providers settings. The only thing that'd be faster is servers under their control.
#29
Suspended
Join Date: Feb 2000
Posts: 13,344
Thank you all for the guidance and recommendations.
We propogated our site last night. Email was down for only ~ 20 minutes, the site itself went offline at 7:30 p.m. and was up when I got up at 7 a.m. today.
Seamless from beginning to end.
Thank you for recommending dreamhost.
We propogated our site last night. Email was down for only ~ 20 minutes, the site itself went offline at 7:30 p.m. and was up when I got up at 7 a.m. today.
Seamless from beginning to end.
Thank you for recommending dreamhost.

