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LOL!
10 hours on 3G would be a dream with the current battery. As it stands, they rate it up to 5 hours "in active use". Even trusting Apple that it really would function for 5 hours...3G would eat the battery for desert. well i meant with 3G if you only use it a bit per day. than it will eat all the power within 10hours. about the HTC , in 3G as i need it permanent after 11hours the device powers it self off. i would like that IPHONE because its SLIM, it has a nice screen. i think a lot people wil not need this phone, but given the fact that OSX is runnin on it, i am sure i will get one if the 3G models gets available. why 3G ?? well in the countries in which i travel and work there are no GSM networks available. anyway, in that version iam still seeing too many problems, not being able to sync the iphone via wifi is a joke. not able ot use mp3 as ringtones is not a big issue. anyway, a lot people ask themselves if that phone is worth 500-800 USD, well it is only worth to spent that money if you can fully use it. and similar to the bose, if a product is good, who cares about the price , if you need it, you will just buy it. look at the ipods there are many players which are good , cheap etc. but people dont care about prices, coolness , stylish products can cost what ever amount. its time that we get a device which is really slim, with big touchscreens. i was first not impressed until i have seen the keynote, and read how slim this thing is. about the battery pack, they have to get a battery pack which is removable for that device, i mean we cant throw a phone away after one year, like the ipods. dp |
Originally Posted by derpelikan
(Post 7008619)
about the HTC , in 3G as i need it permanent after 11hours the device powers it self off.
Originally Posted by derpelikan
(Post 7008619)
why 3G ?? well in the countries in which i travel and work there are no GSM networks available.
Originally Posted by derpelikan
(Post 7008619)
and similar to the bose, if a product is good, who cares about the price , if you need it, you will just buy it.
Originally Posted by derpelikan
(Post 7008619)
look at the ipods there are many players which are good , cheap etc. but people dont care about prices, coolness , stylish products can cost what ever amount.
Originally Posted by derpelikan
(Post 7008619)
about the battery pack, they have to get a battery pack which is removable for that device, i mean we cant throw a phone away after one year, like the ipods.
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Originally Posted by bluemonq
(Post 7009319)
It shuts off after 11 hours? Because of power or just automatic? Can you point me to a link? Not being aggressive or anything; I just never heard about that because I never had to use it so I never bothered reading up about it. If it's an auto-shutoff, I wouldn't be surprised if there's an easy fix...though, I agree, considering how much it costs, it's a little silly to have to do it yourself.
no the battery is empty after 11 hours 3G use. i only make some calls a day, and skype is online 5hours . about the autopower off, as english is not my native language , it was a try to explain that the wm5 , 3G devices are really power suckers :) well P990 and other 3G phones only last max 30hours too in 3G mode, so i hope we will get better batteries in the future. its a joke compared to GSM how much power these devices need. Asian countries? no GSM in japan for example yes You bring up Bose...interesting. The thing is, what Bose has going for it is good marketing; you'll see their ads everywhere: on TV, in magazines, in newspapers, etc. They have good design too, both in terms of usability and appearance. However their audio quality is nowhere near level as would be suggested by their price and similarly priced competitors. This isn't saying that they're complete crap, but better speakers can be had for cheaper. Sadly, the other companies' marketing sucks and they don't look all that good...maybe they spend marketing money on production and design instead? Anyway, Bose is effectively the Apple of speakers, except worse. yes that is what i was talking about, bose and apple are similar. the qc3 are not better than other products, but people buy them because of the good marketing. ipods are good but there are much better alternatives out there, still people keep buying them. The question is, why do cool and stylish things have to cost so much? The answer is, because part of their coolness and stylishness is derived from their expense, from their exclusivity. If the RAZR had sold for $100 with contract, people would have been, "eh, whatever". But it started out at $500! $500 as a true fashion phone...that's the only thing I think that can explain it. well, the razor was a cool looking phone, but given the specs, it was clear that the price would drop down to 1 USD with contract. but it was that time a really stylish phone and did save motorola :) about prices, every company will try to set a high price for a premium product, and if you have a stylish product you can just count on the SNOB EFFECT if it is expensive, everybody wants to get it to be cool and stylish like the product. I find it amusing that you feel buying a $300 music device every year acceptable. Well, I congratulate Steve Jobs; his job is done. as the batteries are not replacable i get rid off my ipods after some month normally. for me prices are not relavant, i pay whatever price for a premium product as i can get most devices at discounts or cheaper , and my friends in europe are always happy to buy a 4-6 month used device from me, as they know that i use them very carefully and they have no scratches etc. but , if the iphone 3G comes out and the battery can at least power the device for 24hours, i will get it as i like apple, i like itunes (even it is not a good program) i like being able to listen to my music bought in the itunes shop. and i like SLIM devices, why are the most 3G devices so big like a brick? mobile phone companies still have to understand that we want a stylish, slim and powerful device. |
My TyTN runs for 4 days on 3G without a problem, an I'm running push email, rss updates etc...
There is NO excuse for not including 3G on the phone. Apple of all companies has the knowledge and experience to include a good battery solution but once again they picked design over functionality. |
My TyTN runs for 4 days on 3G without a problem, an I'm running push email, rss updates etc...
There is NO excuse for not including 3G on the phone. Apple of all companies has the knowledge and experience to include a good battery solution but once again they picked design over functionality. |
Originally Posted by ScottC
(Post 7013367)
There is NO excuse for not including 3G on the phone. Apple of all companies has the knowledge and experience to include a good battery solution but once again they picked design over functionality.
OS X's power handling isn't good enough to justify the extra drain of 3G, or Sealing in the battery means they couldn't get away with how quickly the battery would die with 3G, or The cost of the licence agreements would kill the price point of the device (WCDMA is patented to the hilt; the major manufacturers get round this by 'swapping' permissions but what does Apple bring to the party?), or The extra bulk of 3G means the product wouldn't look quite so sexy, or Apple couldn't solve the technical issues of using 3G in time, or Apple don't believe 3G will add anything to their sales (I still maintain their sales figures are stupifyingly unrealistic)... There, take your pick! |
Originally Posted by typical
(Post 7014152)
There are plenty of excuses:
OS X's power handling isn't good enough to justify the extra drain of 3G Sealing in the battery means they couldn't get away with how quickly the battery would die with 3G The cost of the licence agreements would kill the price point of the device (WCDMA is patented to the hilt; the major manufacturers get round this by 'swapping' permissions but what does Apple bring to the party?) The extra bulk of 3G means the product wouldn't look quite so sexy Apple couldn't solve the technical issues of using 3G in time Apple don't believe 3G will add anything to their sales (I still maintain their sales figures are stupifyingly unrealistic)... |
I don't think I missed this on this thread. Unlocked iPhone is listed for pre-order at Amazon.de
http://www.amazon.de/Apple-iPhone-8G...e=UTF8&s=ce-de Price for the 8GB is a staggering EUR €999, and €899 for the 4GB. I can't read the German, but the supposition at least (according to Daring Fireball where I found the link) is that it's unlocked, as makes sense based on the sky-high price. Also of note is at least when I clicked on it it was #2 seller in electronics there. Yow, people are pre-ordering like crazy even at that price? Wonder if it allows shipping to the US? I would think no, or at least that such an oversight would be corrected before any ship, but I would guess a number of those pre-orders are from people over here. |
Originally Posted by CrazyOne
(Post 7014403)
I don't think I missed this on this thread. Unlocked iPhone is listed for pre-order at Amazon.de
http://www.amazon.de/Apple-iPhone-8G...e=UTF8&s=ce-de Price for the 8GB is a staggering EUR €999, and €899 for the 4GB. I can't read the German, but the supposition at least (according to Daring Fireball where I found the link) is that it's unlocked, as makes sense based on the sky-high price. Also of note is at least when I clicked on it it was #2 seller in electronics there. Yow, people are pre-ordering like crazy even at that price? Wonder if it allows shipping to the US? I would think no, or at least that such an oversight would be corrected before any ship, but I would guess a number of those pre-orders are from people over here. |
yep
Originally Posted by ScottC
(Post 7014522)
Looks to me like a typical Amazon stunt. They pull these all the time.
they will only ship this phone to germany and swiss and austria . but the price is realistic i am sure in the beginning the price will be around 950USD without simlock for the 8gb and 800USD for the 4GB version. as it is an organizer like the P990 or HTC devices this price and the 4GB or 8GB ram the price is a standard price. compared to that the sony device with 4gb and pda functions is selling at 700USD so i am sure people will buy the iphone at this price like crazy. about the iphone, if you only use your fingers , i have a question about normal apps. i thin it is not that convinient to have only your fingers to make inputs or you have always to display the keyboard etc. for example if i have a VNC tool and want to loginto my windows machine at work , how should it handle it only with my fingers? dp |
Originally Posted by ScottC
(Post 7013367)
There is NO excuse for not including 3G on the phone.
Here's another theory, which I think may be plausible, given Apple's iTunes strategy. ...This leaves us with the mystery of why Apple deliberately hobbled the cellular Internet capability of its iPhone, Apple Phone, whatever. As described this week, when the iPhone ships it will only work with Cingular's EDGE network, which is its 2G Internet service that maxes out at 170 kilobits per second on not just a good day but on a day that is so good it never happens. I've used the EDGE network and it feels like dial-up to me. The iPhone is this amazing connectivity quad-mode device that can probably make use of as much bandwidth as it can get, so making it suck through the little straw that is EDGE makes no sense from a user perspective. But remember that the parties involved here are Apple and Cingular, neither of which is 100 percent allied with user interests. Cingular has a 3G network called BroadbandConnect or "MediaNet" if you buy Cingular's associated Cingular Video service. And there's the problem -- Cingular Video, which is based on RealVideo, NOT QuickTime or H.264. Apple wants the iPhone to get its content primarily through iTunes, ideally by syncing with a Mac or Windows PC. Apple doesn't like Cingular Video and doesn't want its customers to know it exists, much less use it. But it would be very hard to introduce a true 3G iPhone, have Cingular promote it strongly, only to say that it can't be used to view the mobile carrier's own video content. So instead Apple falls back to the slower EDGE network, which can support email and widgets and surfing, but which also forces iPhone users to get most of their higher-resolution video through iTunes, where Apple makes money and Cingular doesn't. It comes down to an accommodation. Cingular wants an iPhone exclusive and is probably paying Apple money for that privilege. Apple doesn't want Cingular Video. So the only elegant way around that problem is to make the iPhone incapable of operating on the 3G network. If you watch his Macworld keynote you'll notice Jobs says that Apple may eventually make 3G iPhone models. Yeah, right: I'm 100 percent convinced that all it would take to turn an EDGE iPhone into a 3G iPhone is a firmware upgrade, if that. Mobile phone carriers are eager for video to succeed on their 3G and 4G platforms because it represents a major new source of revenue. Apple's iPhone is the best handset yet for displaying that video. But Apple isn't going to allow this to happen without Cupertino gaining a substantial piece of the action. I'm sure discussions are taking place right now with Cingular where Apple is arguing that the carrier should make its video service iTunes-compatible. The media and the market's ecstatic response to the iPhone will put strong pressure on Cingular, which has what is apparently a multiyear exclusive with Apple. If Cingular gives in, as I'm sure it will, the iPhones will suddenly become faster and have more features. And if Apple is correct, Cingular will then have the mojo to take them to the top of the U.S. mobile market... |
Originally Posted by ScottC
(Post 7014370)
That isn't an excuse, that just means they were lazy. Apple has spent years perfecting power management to the point where their MP3 players have some of the best battery life on the market.
Originally Posted by ScottC
(Post 7014370)
this has to be the worlds first GSM phone with a non removable battery.
Originally Posted by ScottC
(Post 7014370)
Kill the price point? It's selling for more than any phone ever has at the moment. I've yet to find any source for your licensing remarks, surely all they have to do is purchase a chipset from Qualcomm and be done with it? They don't have to deal with patents. HTC uses a Qualcomm chipset and they don't bring anything to the party.
Originally Posted by ScottC
(Post 7014370)
There is no extra bulk. See the Samsung Blackjack or Z150. The difference in chipset size is negligible.
No real technical issues, these chipsets are pretty turnkey, just like the Infineon chipset they are using now you put it in and can access its functions right away. It isn't like Apple designed an entire radio and controller from the ground up. |
Originally Posted by derpelikan
(Post 7014640)
about the iphone, if you only use your fingers , i have a question about normal apps. i thin it is not that convinient to have only your fingers to make inputs or you have always to display the keyboard etc.
for example if i have a VNC tool and want to loginto my windows machine at work , how should it handle it only with my fingers?
Originally Posted by Amazon
Im Angebot von Amazon.de seit: 17. August 2004
There's no mention of it being unlocked on the Amazon page, by the way. But then the whole lot looks like guesswork. |
Originally Posted by ScottC
(Post 7014522)
Looks to me like a typical Amazon stunt. They pull these all the time.
Just wondering. I'm not questioning that it's an Amazon stunt; that doesn't surprise me at all. I just don't know what the "typical Amazon stunt" results in. Yeah, I saw that bit about the 2004 date, too. I can't read German, but I can decipher the page format and knew that was the first available date or whatever which is totally ridiculous. |
Originally Posted by CrazyOne
(Post 7014725)
As in they put it out there then cancel all the orders, or cancel the ones that really shouldn't be allowed (as in shipped to the US) or ???
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