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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 5:08 pm
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Originally Posted by murphy
I find paying a third party for someone else's property to be unethical. But they are certainly both illegal.
Isn't that the entire business model of iTunes? Just because the Russian music indudstry doesn't have same ripoff licensing rates as the RIAA doesn't make them illegal. If you think it may be perfectly ethical to violate DMCA laws by removing DRM then I fail to see how you don't think it is ethical to use allofmp3.
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 6:10 pm
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Originally Posted by ScottC
Isn't that the entire business model of iTunes? Just because the Russian music indudstry doesn't have same ripoff licensing rates as the RIAA doesn't make them illegal. If you think it may be perfectly ethical to violate DMCA laws by removing DRM then I fail to see how you don't think it is ethical to use allofmp3.
No, itunes's business model is to sign a contract with an artist (or more likely his distributor), and Apple turns over the lion's share of the revenue to the record company that owns the distribution rights. Allofmp3 takes those same songs and sells them without permission. What allofmp3 does is no different as the guys who make and sell pirated DVDs. You're aware that's illegal?

If I purchase a DVD (or a track on iTunes or Urge) and remove the DRM in order to play it on my incompatible player, no, I don't think I've done anything wrong, even though I've certainly violated the DMCA.

I'm aware that most people don't think like me, and that both acts are illegal. I just feel that violating the DMCA to use a song I paid for is okay, and is much more morally defensible than abetting what amounts to large scale piracy.

Does my position really seem that inconsistent to you?
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 6:23 pm
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The position of allofmp3 is that they have the necessary rights and that they are operating legally
Originally Posted by BetaNews
AllofMP3 claims it has licenses from Russian Multimedia and Internet Society (ROMS) and the Rightholders Federation for Collective Copyright Management of Works Used Interactively (FAIR). But the music industry has called the ROMS license invalid and said it would not cover users in foreign countries.
BetaNews Article Now the British Phonographic Industry is telling Uk users that it is illegal to use, but that they will be prosecuting AllofMP3, which they got the Ok to do this week from the high court, not the UK users.

Roms say
Originally Posted by ROMS
According to Section 2 of Clause 47 of the Law of Russian Federation on Copyright and Related Rights, any owner of copyright or related rights that had concluded an agreement with ROMS, has the right to demand due compensation according to the distribution performed by ROMS.
I suspect that if a percentage of the sale price is charged in royalties to go to record companies & artists then they would be annoyed if the site is charging so little for the tracks.

Yes the law is changing:
Originally Posted by ROMS
On July 28th, 2004, new amendments to the Federal Law "On Copyright and Neighboring Rights" came into force.

Among the amendments of prime importance is the introduction of new authors'/performers' and phonogram manufacturers' right - the right of "notification via digital networks", which covers the use of works, performances and phonograms in digital environment and networks, Internet in particular.

This means the related rights holders will be able to personally issue licenses for the use of performances and phonograms in the Internet and collect the due remuneration in case of exclusion of such rights from the society for collective rights administration's repertory.

The amendments relative to this right will come into force on September 1st 2006
By the way this site has second place in the market behind Itunes in the UK.
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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 12:32 pm
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Originally Posted by magiciansampras
I was on the road yesterday and really wanted to hear a tune so I bougt it from website that sells music, 7 digital or something like that. Unfortunately they sent the file in protected .wma with DRM. This is all fine and good except I want to be able to play the thing on my ipod.

Anyone know of a way to convert the .wma to .mp3? I own the license and won't be sending this song to anyone else.
I am in a similar situation - I have boxes full of CDs that I have ripped to an external hard drive. Now I want to pull all of my music onto a dedicated computer or even an iPod to drive the sound system in my home, but because of the DRMs, only 1,450 of the 9,000 songs will play on either the new computer or the iPod.

This really annoys me, since I have paid for the CDs, and the application makers are just making my life difficult.

Any other suggestions aside from dodgy Russian retailers? Any one-stop apps that will extract the DRM from my music files and allow me to move them?
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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 2:02 pm
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You own the CD and ripped them to your hard drive with a protected DRM? That's new to me.

Maybe you just ripped them to a file format your iPod can't understand?
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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 9:04 pm
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Unhappy Yes on both counts

Originally Posted by CPMaverick
You own the CD and ripped them to your hard drive with a protected DRM? That's new to me.

Maybe you just ripped them to a file format your iPod can't understand?
Correct on both counts.

1. The earliest CDs were ripped to a hard drive on Computer A in the early or mid-nineties, I believe, and subsequent CDs to computers B, C, D and E. All of the songs have been aggregated to an external hard drive along the way, and computers A, B, C and D are long gone.

Now on Computer F, none of the songs ripped to Computers C through D will work because of DRM, and I suspect some of the ones I can't play were early in the life of computer E as well. Computer A songs (the earliest) are no problem, and ones I think are from B are also OK.

So apparently, DRM went into effect somewhere during the life of C, and now it has caught up to me as I try and load them onto Computer F.

2. And of course, transferring them from the old WMA/WMV/whatever format to mp3, etc. for the iPod is negated with today's software if I don't use the original CD.

Do I really want to rip a thousand CDs again, knowing that the same thing will happen in a couple of years? Not so much.
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Old Sep 30, 2006 | 9:39 pm
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I don't think you have a DRM problem, Wilbur. It sounds like you ripped the CDs to wma, which is a file format that's not compatible with Ipods. If you don't want to re-rip the CDs, you can transcode the wmas to mp3, which will play anywhere. There's plenty of programs that will do this for you, but you should know that there will be some slight quality loss.

In the future, you'll probably want to rip to mp3.
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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 6:03 pm
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 3:03 am
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Originally Posted by magiciansampras
I was on the road yesterday and really wanted to hear a tune so I bougt it from website that sells music, 7 digital or something like that. Unfortunately they sent the file in protected .wma with DRM. This is all fine and good except I want to be able to play the thing on my ipod.
Anyone know of a way to convert the .wma to .mp3? I own the license and won't be sending this song to anyone else.
For the curious: the song is Van Morrison's "Glad Tidings" from the Moondance album. I actually owned the album at one point and lost it . Album not available through iTunes Music Store. Blah.
Any audio editing and converting software can be of use. Suggests FlexiMusic Wave Editor. Directly can't read WMA file in FlexiMusic Wave Editor, so play and record the Wma file in the software and then using the "Save As" command, convert and save the recorded Wma file as Mp3 format.
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 4:42 am
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Originally Posted by goaliemn
they are paying the copyright licensing fee to the russian equivilent of the RIAA. The RIAA refuses to take any payments from them as they say its not enough collected.
Wrong, they are claim to pay royalties to a collection agency. It just happens that said collection agency is not a member of the international association of collection agencies so the payments never reach the artists/composers. Apparently said agent has broken many violations and were told to get in line or be thrown out.

So they are paying to someone who is not recognised as a collection agent and who is not transfering funds on to artist.
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by ScottC
Stripping off DRM is NOT "a little gray". It is a clear violation of the DMCA. Using Allofmp3 is more legal than messing with someones DRM.
Originally Posted by murphy
It's clear they're both illegal. I personally find stripping DRM from a song you purchased in order to use it on another device to be perfectly ethical, even though it's illegal. I find paying a third party for someone else's property to be unethical. But they are certainly both illegal.
Lets not deal with semantics. Just download the torrent file and be done with it.
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