Help me pick a notebook
#1
Original Poster




Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Charlotte, NC USA
Programs: AA EXP; Marriott Lifetime / Annual Titanium; Massively Missing Starwood
Posts: 5,443
Help me pick a notebook
I have to get a new machine. Actually, I already got a new machine but it is either going back or going to someone else in my office. I've read some of the other recent posts here and would like some of the good help that seems to be available.
Up until two days ago I had a Micron ZX. About three years old. Getting tired, getting gray, out of warranty.
got a Dell D600 two days ago. The machine is not what I had expected/wanted. the display is blurry and the integrated wireless on the chip is of very poor quality in my opinion.
So, I'd love some suggestions. Some requirements:
- I use it as a workstation; I dock it, I run SQL Server on it, I load it up with a gig of docs and xls files.
- I travel with it...obviously for this board right? It has to have a modem, it has to have a network card, it has to have at least two USB ports that work on the unit itself.
- From above, it has to have a reliable and easy to use docking station/port replicator/whatever they're called these days.
- It has to have a CD burner/DVD combo drive.
- It has to have an option for three year on-site/next day swapping of the base unit.
- It has to be a known name brand...don't consider this something to dabble with.
- It has to run Windows XP Pro; scratch that, it has to have Windows XP Pro preinstalled.
- It would be nice if I could pick up some miles or points for the purchase.
- It has to have at least a 14 inch display.
- It has to be fairly light and slim in profile.
Am I asking too much? Probably not...seems like this is all pretty standard these days.
Please post your suggestions for me. If you've got a "stay away from this machine" story, go ahead and put it here as well.
Finally, what are the best PC mags to pick up in terms of notebook reviews?
Thanks all!
[This message has been edited by dingo (edited Jan 10, 2004).]
Up until two days ago I had a Micron ZX. About three years old. Getting tired, getting gray, out of warranty.
got a Dell D600 two days ago. The machine is not what I had expected/wanted. the display is blurry and the integrated wireless on the chip is of very poor quality in my opinion.
So, I'd love some suggestions. Some requirements:
- I use it as a workstation; I dock it, I run SQL Server on it, I load it up with a gig of docs and xls files.
- I travel with it...obviously for this board right? It has to have a modem, it has to have a network card, it has to have at least two USB ports that work on the unit itself.
- From above, it has to have a reliable and easy to use docking station/port replicator/whatever they're called these days.
- It has to have a CD burner/DVD combo drive.
- It has to have an option for three year on-site/next day swapping of the base unit.
- It has to be a known name brand...don't consider this something to dabble with.
- It has to run Windows XP Pro; scratch that, it has to have Windows XP Pro preinstalled.
- It would be nice if I could pick up some miles or points for the purchase.

- It has to have at least a 14 inch display.
- It has to be fairly light and slim in profile.
Am I asking too much? Probably not...seems like this is all pretty standard these days.
Please post your suggestions for me. If you've got a "stay away from this machine" story, go ahead and put it here as well.
Finally, what are the best PC mags to pick up in terms of notebook reviews?
Thanks all!
[This message has been edited by dingo (edited Jan 10, 2004).]
#2


Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 7,029
Consider an IBM Thinkpad T41. Not positive about the warranty service.
http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/st...goryId=2072541
http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/st...goryId=2072541
#4




Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Austin TX
Programs: Mr Swise: AAdvantage LifetimePlt/3MM, HH Dmnd, SPG Plt
Posts: 1,451
Too bad it has to run XP Pro.
For a moderately priced system, a G4 iBook would fit the bill quite nicely. At the higher end a G4 Powerbook would be perfect.
Running SQL on Mac OS X is a dream, as is MS Office. Making the box a server requires a few clicks.
All your other requirements could be met by these two machines at a price lower or at least competitive with a Thinkpad.
On top of that, your computer will go to sleep properly and wake up instantly when opened, Rendezvous will automatically detect all network connections for you, without requiring much, if any setup, most drivers are built into the OS, the computer will remain useful about 25% longer than a Wintel system, and, for technical users, you have complete access at a unix command line level.
I found it interesting that the vast majority of laptops floating around JPL in Nova's Mars documentary that aired last week were Powerbooks. I watched a trading shop switch from Thinkpads to Powerbooks with Cinema Displays and rackmount XServes over the course of a few months after their IBM hardware couldn't support their needs as well.
If you're at all flexible on the OS criterion, the most elegant solution would definitely be the Powerbook: thinnest, lightest, 5 hour battery life, with all the other specs you desire.
For a moderately priced system, a G4 iBook would fit the bill quite nicely. At the higher end a G4 Powerbook would be perfect.
Running SQL on Mac OS X is a dream, as is MS Office. Making the box a server requires a few clicks.
All your other requirements could be met by these two machines at a price lower or at least competitive with a Thinkpad.
On top of that, your computer will go to sleep properly and wake up instantly when opened, Rendezvous will automatically detect all network connections for you, without requiring much, if any setup, most drivers are built into the OS, the computer will remain useful about 25% longer than a Wintel system, and, for technical users, you have complete access at a unix command line level.
I found it interesting that the vast majority of laptops floating around JPL in Nova's Mars documentary that aired last week were Powerbooks. I watched a trading shop switch from Thinkpads to Powerbooks with Cinema Displays and rackmount XServes over the course of a few months after their IBM hardware couldn't support their needs as well.
If you're at all flexible on the OS criterion, the most elegant solution would definitely be the Powerbook: thinnest, lightest, 5 hour battery life, with all the other specs you desire.
#5
Original Member and FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: May 1998
Location: Kansas City, MO, USA
Programs: DL PM/MM, AA ExPlat, Hyatt Glob, HH Dia, National ECE, Hertz PC
Posts: 16,619
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by swise:
All your other requirements could be met by these two machines at a price lower or at least competitive with a Thinkpad.</font>
All your other requirements could be met by these two machines at a price lower or at least competitive with a Thinkpad.</font>
#6
Original Member and FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: May 1998
Location: Kansas City, MO, USA
Programs: DL PM/MM, AA ExPlat, Hyatt Glob, HH Dia, National ECE, Hertz PC
Posts: 16,619
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dingo:
got a Dell D600 two days ago. The machine is not what I had expected/wanted. the display is blurry and the integrated wireless on the chip is of very poor quality in my opinion.</font>
got a Dell D600 two days ago. The machine is not what I had expected/wanted. the display is blurry and the integrated wireless on the chip is of very poor quality in my opinion.</font>
You want an IBM T40/T41 ... trust me. Make sure to get one with the 1400x1050 resolution screen (some of the less expensive ones have a lower resolution screen). The review that really sold me on it (besides all the praise on this board from T series uses) was this one:
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...,110527,00.asp
#7




Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: London; Bangkok; Las Vegas
Programs: AA Exec Plat; UA MM Gold; Marriott Lifetime Titanium; Hilton Diamond
Posts: 8,876
I have a T40 with the "normal" screen resolution, which I run at the native 1024x768 on the 14.1" screen. I couldn't be happier with the machine.
I haven't seen a model with the higher screen resolution, but they are a lot more money and the native resolution 1400x1050 on the same size screen is going to make for pretty darn small text.
Re the Apple suggestions, I realize it's like arguing religion with a born again Christian, but the reality is that corporate America, i.e., over 90%, run Windows based PCs. It is extremely difficult to marry an Apple into that family, and technical support within the company is usually not geared to do so.
Apples are very fine stand-alone machine, and are fine if it is an all-Apple network at the office, but they don't mix well with Windows based PCs.
The reality for most employees at most companies is that they need a Windows based PC.
I haven't seen a model with the higher screen resolution, but they are a lot more money and the native resolution 1400x1050 on the same size screen is going to make for pretty darn small text.
Re the Apple suggestions, I realize it's like arguing religion with a born again Christian, but the reality is that corporate America, i.e., over 90%, run Windows based PCs. It is extremely difficult to marry an Apple into that family, and technical support within the company is usually not geared to do so.
Apples are very fine stand-alone machine, and are fine if it is an all-Apple network at the office, but they don't mix well with Windows based PCs.
The reality for most employees at most companies is that they need a Windows based PC.
#9




Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Austin TX
Programs: Mr Swise: AAdvantage LifetimePlt/3MM, HH Dmnd, SPG Plt
Posts: 1,451
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Always Flyin:
Re the Apple suggestions, I realize it's like arguing religion with a born again Christian, but the reality is that corporate America, i.e., over 90%, run Windows based PCs. It is extremely difficult to marry an Apple into that family, and technical support within the company is usually not geared to do so.
Apples are very fine stand-alone machine, and are fine if it is an all-Apple network at the office, but they don't mix well with Windows based PCs.
The reality for most employees at most companies is that they need a Windows based PC.</font>
Re the Apple suggestions, I realize it's like arguing religion with a born again Christian, but the reality is that corporate America, i.e., over 90%, run Windows based PCs. It is extremely difficult to marry an Apple into that family, and technical support within the company is usually not geared to do so.
Apples are very fine stand-alone machine, and are fine if it is an all-Apple network at the office, but they don't mix well with Windows based PCs.
The reality for most employees at most companies is that they need a Windows based PC.</font>
Apple's rackmount XServes and RAIDs have even been certified by Microsoft to integrate into Windows environments without issue.
From Apple's Switch FAQ... Networking in a Wintel Environment
An excellent site going over Mac compatibility in a Wintel environment
Column entitled "Can Macs and PCs Really Get Along?"
Coursey's ZDNet column about switching to the Mac for 3 months. He ended up switching permanently and wrote a book to help others migrate platforms.
[This message has been edited by swise (edited Jan 12, 2004).]
#10
Original Member and FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: May 1998
Location: Kansas City, MO, USA
Programs: DL PM/MM, AA ExPlat, Hyatt Glob, HH Dia, National ECE, Hertz PC
Posts: 16,619
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by swise:
No, but Bookendz does.</font>
No, but Bookendz does.</font>
Seriously though, I just got a port replicator for my IBM ... it's really a must have when you use your laptop in the office as your primary machine, but it sure seems like not a lot of laptop makers are making them anymore ...
#11


Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: RDM
Programs: UA General Member
Posts: 1,247
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Beckles:
Seriously though, I just got a port replicator for my IBM ... it's really a must have when you use your laptop in the office as your primary machine, but it sure seems like not a lot of laptop makers are making them anymore ...</font>
Seriously though, I just got a port replicator for my IBM ... it's really a must have when you use your laptop in the office as your primary machine, but it sure seems like not a lot of laptop makers are making them anymore ...</font>
#12
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend




Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: NY Metro Area
Programs: AA 2MM Yay!, UA MM, Costco General Member
Posts: 50,840
We run Windows, Linux Solaris and MacOSX. The Mac interfaces extremely well with a mostly Windows environment. I have a Win2000 and a MacOSX on my desktop and have both kinds of notebooks. I can mount disks from one machine to another and exchange files seamlessly. I use Outlook hooked to an exchange server on both platforms. They really integrate very well and there are great SQL options for the Mac as mentioned since it is essentially UNIX underneath. The X11 packages you can install on them are also very nice indeed.
#13


Join Date: May 1998
Location: IAD, DCA
Programs: AA Lifetime Platinum, Marriott Gold, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 1,625
If you're an IBM shareholder you can save a not insignificant amount on a Thinkpad - here's a link to a post on FatWallet.com where someone posted this quarter's discount code. Make your own decision about whether it's ethical to use the code without actually buying a share - I'm not advocating it, but I don't think they check.
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/mess...hreadid=244983
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/mess...hreadid=244983
#15
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Norway
Programs: SK *S
Posts: 427
I have this laptop, the HP 4560 which has all the specs u desire, and has been working great for me for over two months. I love it. And for under $1000 u cant beat it:
http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.js...rk_0&oid=79695
http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.js...rk_0&oid=79695

