Gmail's move to OAuth 2.0 authentication for older apps
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Gmail's move to OAuth 2.0 authentication for older apps
My current email set up is
"Real" inbox hosted on isp
Gmail fetches copies of that mail
My pop3 client (Pegasus Mail) then downloads from gmail.
Pegasus is long-in-the-tooth and does not have OAuth 2.0 capability. But I hate to give it up, having used it for 30 years.
Two-factor authentication won't work on this setup (I've tried)
In little words
can you tell me what my options are? I **think** they are a) start pop3 fetching directly from isp inbox; b) get a more modern pop3 program.
I do NOT want to move exclusively to a cloud/web interface; Pegasus' folder capabilities are so superior.
"Real" inbox hosted on isp
Gmail fetches copies of that mail
My pop3 client (Pegasus Mail) then downloads from gmail.
Pegasus is long-in-the-tooth and does not have OAuth 2.0 capability. But I hate to give it up, having used it for 30 years.
Two-factor authentication won't work on this setup (I've tried)
In little words
![Wink](https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif)
I do NOT want to move exclusively to a cloud/web interface; Pegasus' folder capabilities are so superior.
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lol, you are just one of those people that doesn't like change, even when it's for the best. They have to drag you kicking and screaming to use map and a modern email client.
You can use any modern email client with gmail, you aren't forced to use their web interface. I use the web interface for searching email, and setting up filters.
Other than that I'm using Apple Mail as the main client on the desktop these days, which is a decent client. I gave up trying to stay with thunderbird some time ago. On my phone, I use the gmail app. In your case, I'm sure you will find lots of reasons to hate any of those because they aren't pegasus and that's what you are used to and what you like. I liked t-bird, but it became so problematic at one point with being able to authenticate itself with the mail servers, I had to move away from it rather than continue to struggle with those issues.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting anything I do is appropriate for you or anything you will like.
-David
You can use any modern email client with gmail, you aren't forced to use their web interface. I use the web interface for searching email, and setting up filters.
Other than that I'm using Apple Mail as the main client on the desktop these days, which is a decent client. I gave up trying to stay with thunderbird some time ago. On my phone, I use the gmail app. In your case, I'm sure you will find lots of reasons to hate any of those because they aren't pegasus and that's what you are used to and what you like. I liked t-bird, but it became so problematic at one point with being able to authenticate itself with the mail servers, I had to move away from it rather than continue to struggle with those issues.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting anything I do is appropriate for you or anything you will like.
-David
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You can use any modern email client with gmail, you aren't forced to use their web interface. I use the web interface for searching email, and setting up filters.
Other than that I'm using Apple Mail as the main client on the desktop these days, which is a decent client. I gave up trying to stay with thunderbird some time ago. On my phone, I use the gmail app. In your case, I'm sure you will find lots of reasons to hate any of those because they aren't pegasus and that's what you are used to and what you like. I liked t-bird, but it became so problematic at one point with being able to authenticate itself with the mail servers, I had to move away from it rather than continue to struggle with those issues.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting anything I do is appropriate for you or anything you will like.
-David
-David
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On May 30, you may lose access to apps that are using less secure sign-in
technology
[email protected]
To help keep your account secure, Google will no longer support the use of
third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google Account
using only your username and password. Instead, you’ll need to sign in
using Sign in with Google or other more secure technologies, like OAuth 2.0.
*What do you need to do?*
*Email software, like Outlook 2016 or earlier,* has less secure access to
your Gmail. Switch to Office 365, Outlook 2019 or newer, or any other email
software where you can sign in using *Sign in with Google*.
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And it shouldn't matter if you use an app password.
https://support.google.com/accounts/.../6010255?hl=en
https://support.google.com/accounts/.../6010255?hl=en
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This isn't very definitive: "Because less secure apps can make your account more vulnerable, Google will automatically turn this setting off if it’s not being used."
I use this setting multiple times a day with Pegasus Mail. So maybe I don't need to do anything but wait and see....
I use this setting multiple times a day with Pegasus Mail. So maybe I don't need to do anything but wait and see....
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My current email set up is
"Real" inbox hosted on isp
Gmail fetches copies of that mail
My pop3 client (Pegasus Mail) then downloads from gmail.
Pegasus is long-in-the-tooth and does not have OAuth 2.0 capability. But I hate to give it up, having used it for 30 years.
Two-factor authentication won't work on this setup (I've tried)
In little words
can you tell me what my options are? I **think** they are a) start pop3 fetching directly from isp inbox; b) get a more modern pop3 program.
I do NOT want to move exclusively to a cloud/web interface; Pegasus' folder capabilities are so superior.
"Real" inbox hosted on isp
Gmail fetches copies of that mail
My pop3 client (Pegasus Mail) then downloads from gmail.
Pegasus is long-in-the-tooth and does not have OAuth 2.0 capability. But I hate to give it up, having used it for 30 years.
Two-factor authentication won't work on this setup (I've tried)
In little words
![Wink](https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif)
I do NOT want to move exclusively to a cloud/web interface; Pegasus' folder capabilities are so superior.
I did a quick search... It looks like the dev team is working on it supporting it, although it's been six months since the last update...
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Ive been having the hardest time with this. I keep getting these emails saying I will lose access, and then I make all these changes via godaddy and spend hours doing it, and then a few months later, it wants to change things again. Is there someone I can just pay to do this? ha!
"There are email accounts in your organization using Basic Authentication, which Microsoft will no longer support after 06/08/2023. You'll still be able to access your email through your browser, but not from an email app, such as Outlook or Apple Mail — don't worry, none of your emails will be lost.
In order to continue using your email apps, you need to update your settings from POP/IMAP to Exchange for each device you use to check your email. This also applies to other users who are set up within your account using POP/IMAP settings."
But, they don't explain how to do it or what to put in its place.
"There are email accounts in your organization using Basic Authentication, which Microsoft will no longer support after 06/08/2023. You'll still be able to access your email through your browser, but not from an email app, such as Outlook or Apple Mail — don't worry, none of your emails will be lost.
In order to continue using your email apps, you need to update your settings from POP/IMAP to Exchange for each device you use to check your email. This also applies to other users who are set up within your account using POP/IMAP settings."
But, they don't explain how to do it or what to put in its place.
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Ive been having the hardest time with this. I keep getting these emails saying I will lose access, and then I make all these changes via godaddy and spend hours doing it, and then a few months later, it wants to change things again. Is there someone I can just pay to do this? ha!
"There are email accounts in your organization using Basic Authentication, which Microsoft will no longer support after 06/08/2023. You'll still be able to access your email through your browser, but not from an email app, such as Outlook or Apple Mail — don't worry, none of your emails will be lost.
In order to continue using your email apps, you need to update your settings from POP/IMAP to Exchange for each device you use to check your email. This also applies to other users who are set up within your account using POP/IMAP settings."
But, they don't explain how to do it or what to put in its place.
"There are email accounts in your organization using Basic Authentication, which Microsoft will no longer support after 06/08/2023. You'll still be able to access your email through your browser, but not from an email app, such as Outlook or Apple Mail — don't worry, none of your emails will be lost.
In order to continue using your email apps, you need to update your settings from POP/IMAP to Exchange for each device you use to check your email. This also applies to other users who are set up within your account using POP/IMAP settings."
But, they don't explain how to do it or what to put in its place.
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Does anyone know someone I could pay to manage the whole process for me? I’m just a sole email person, but I import from hotmail and gmail to my godaddy personal domain, so a tiny added later. Jsut so over spending hours and hours w chat bots and foreign chat people that really are misguiding people.