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CDTraveler May 27, 2025 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by frappant (Post 37111111)
Thanks for the update, that's too bad.

I was able to upload my passport with Singtel in Singapore but I guess Italian carriers aren't ready to do that yet.

They said their eSIMs don't work or eSIMs in general don't work?

I've used WindTre last year but it was a physical SIM. It worked well and it was only €20.

The clerk who said eSims don't work was talking about WindTre in specific, that the ones you supposedly get from them via email don't work.

murphy May 27, 2025 6:22 pm

I had a good experience in Spain using an Orange sim from https://www.esimholidays.com/en/spain. 10EUR for 65GB and 500 minutes of local calls. I did have to upload a pic of my passport to orange.

BigFlyer May 27, 2025 6:28 pm

Remote KYC
 

Originally Posted by murphy (Post 37111483)
I had a good experience in Spain using an Orange sim from https://www.esimholidays.com/en/spain. 10EUR for 65GB and 500 minutes of local calls. I did have to upload a pic of my passport to orange.

This is a very good trend. Carriers in countries with KYC requirements (most countries in the world, actually) are beginning to be able to remotely verify what they need to be KYC compliant.

This allows purchase directly from the carrier or an agent of the carrier, before leaving home, at lower prices than you would find with the data brokers (e.g., Airalo). This frequently includes incoming and outgoing calls on the SIM which are almost never allowed on the data only eSIMS that account for most of the cross-border sales.

ckendall May 30, 2025 1:48 pm


Originally Posted by Hornetcoach (Post 37106708)
That is a lot more data than she will likely use in 2 weeks. I have used Airalo and Ubigi in the past in the UK. Earlier this month I used Jetpac for a two week to Greece, with a layover in Ireland. A European plan, 5GB for 30 days, cost $7. Everything worked well, I was very happy with it. I will use them again if the price is competitive, which it was for this trip. I used less than 3GB for 2 weeks, which is normal for me.

Virtually every Italian I know uses WhatsApp. If you have a WhatsApp number it's free to call (using wifi) and your actual number doesn't matter. I get along fairly well with a US number and WhatsApp for regular travel to Italy.

frappant May 31, 2025 2:07 am


Originally Posted by BigFlyer (Post 37111490)
This is a very good trend. Carriers in countries with KYC requirements (most countries in the world, actually) are beginning to be able to remotely verify what they need to be KYC compliant.

This allows purchase directly from the carrier or an agent of the carrier, before leaving home, at lower prices than you would find with the data brokers (e.g., Airalo). This frequently includes incoming and outgoing calls on the SIM which are almost never allowed on the data only eSIMS that account for most of the cross-border sales.

I also have the Orange Europe eSIM but one with more data. It doesn't require ID at all.

You just order and they send you the QR code. I ordered it after I arrived in Italy, ordered it on a long train ride, using my iPhone which has T-Mobile so I get 5 GB of high speed international data.

Then I scanned the code with my iPad Pro and now I have it.

The charge goes to some company in Madrid. Orange, which is French, offers it directly while esimholidays.com seems to be a reseller. When you do speed tests, it routs through France, so the pings are higher than a local network would be. But the speeds are great and it roams here in Italy on TIM, the #1 carrier here.


g2525 May 31, 2025 2:08 am

Does anyone know if the 3HK global roaming sim will work in Alaska? I know they roam on AT&T in the lower 48, but does anyone know if it'll work on AT&T in AK?

Thanks!

Edit: It does work in AK even though it is not on the list of countries/regions


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Majuki May 31, 2025 6:40 am


Originally Posted by g2525 (Post 37118222)
Does anyone know if the 3HK global roaming sim will work in Alaska? I know they roam on AT&T in the lower 48, but does anyone know if it'll work on AT&T in AK?

Thanks!

I don't see why it wouldn't work. It's not like T-Mobile which roams on GCI. AT&T has their own towers in Alaska.

BigFlyer Jun 2, 2025 12:53 pm


Originally Posted by frappant (Post 37118221)
I also have the Orange Europe eSIM but one with more data. It doesn't require ID at all.

You just order and they send you the QR code. I ordered it after I arrived in Italy, ordered it on a long train ride, using my iPhone which has T-Mobile so I get 5 GB of high speed international data.

Then I scanned the code with my iPad Pro and now I have it.

The charge goes to some company in Madrid. Orange, which is French, offers it directly while esimholidays.com seems to be a reseller. When you do speed tests, it routs through France, so the pings are higher than a local network would be. But the speeds are great and it roams here in Italy on TIM, the #1 carrier here.

Are you talking data only SIMs without ID - or SIMS with data and a phone number?

frappant Jun 2, 2025 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by BigFlyer (Post 37122887)
Are you talking data only SIMs without ID - or SIMS with data and a phone number?


Even data SIMs have phone numbers.

But this one has calls and SMS as well as 100 GB of data.

https://www.esimholidays.com/en/europe

However, I use it on my iPad Pro so I don't use it for calls.

BigFlyer Jun 27, 2025 12:50 pm


Originally Posted by frappant (Post 37122921)
Even data SIMs have phone numbers.

But this one has calls and SMS as well as 100 GB of data.

https://www.esimholidays.com/en/europe

However, I use it on my iPad Pro so I don't use it for calls.

I just had a recent very good experience using an eSIM Holidays eSIM in Europe - I got the cheapest one which was 10 Euro for 65 GB in Spain, 13 GB in the rest of Europe, and 500 minutes of outgoing calls within the EU (all incoming calls free and unlimited.) It was an Orange Spain eSIM sold without markup - the same product sold domestically in Spain.

Pursuant to Spanish law due to the provision of a phone number, I had to do an ID verification. I had to upload a copy of my passport, and also allow their app to take a face photo. The eSIM worked as advertised, and did not require activation in Spain or any use in Spain.
https://www.esimholidays.com/en/spain


HawaiiTrvlr Jul 10, 2025 3:59 pm

I am late the e-sim discussion. I have a brand new Samsung 25 Ultra and I am traveling to the UAE in Oct. Do I wait until I get there and visit a local phone store to buy the sim? Can I buy it and install it on my phone prior to my trip? Do I toggle between the sims when I leave the US and arrive in the UAE (and vice versa)?

TGarza Jul 10, 2025 4:09 pm


Originally Posted by HawaiiTrvlr (Post 37197513)
I am late the e-sim discussion. I have a brand new Samsung 25 Ultra and I am traveling to the UAE in Oct. Do I wait until I get there and visit a local phone store to buy the sim? Can I buy it and install it on my phone prior to my trip? Do I toggle between the sims when I leave the US and arrive in the UAE (and vice versa)?


Verify your new phone is unlocked which is a requirement to add an eSIM for the trip. Verify your account has WiFi calling enabled for the plan by connecting to WiFi and enabling airplane mode. Then make a call and send a text as a test. I have never purchased a UAE eSIM.

Hornetcoach Jul 10, 2025 6:18 pm

HawaiiTrvlr, are you looking for a Sim or an eSIM? They are different. A Sim is a physical card you might buy at a local phone store or airport and install in your phone. An eSIM is basically a service you buy that works with the hardware already in your phone. Nothing to physically install, you just load the necessary software into your phone. The advantage is you don’t have to mess with the SIM card in your phone, or to store it somewhere while you use the purchased SIM card. eSIM is really easy. You buy it from an eSIM provider like Airalo, Ubigi or others before your trip. You install it in your phone typically by scanning a barcode. It will activate itself when it finds cell phone service on arrival. It’s cheap, easy and reliable. Sorry if I am repeating what you already know but your question suggested that perhaps you didn’t.

HawaiiTrvlr Jul 11, 2025 5:01 pm


Originally Posted by Hornetcoach (Post 37197669)
HawaiiTrvlr, are you looking for a Sim or an eSIM? They are different. A Sim is a physical card you might buy at a local phone store or airport and install in your phone. An eSIM is basically a service you buy that works with the hardware already in your phone. Nothing to physically install, you just load the necessary software into your phone. The advantage is you don’t have to mess with the SIM card in your phone, or to store it somewhere while you use the purchased SIM card. eSIM is really easy. You buy it from an eSIM provider like Airalo, Ubigi or others before your trip. You install it in your phone typically by scanning a barcode. It will activate itself when it finds cell phone service on arrival. It’s cheap, easy and reliable. Sorry if I am repeating what you already know but your question suggested that perhaps you didn’t.

Thank you. I think I need the eSim vs getting an actual SIM card. I did ask my friend who lives in the UAE if he has any recommendations. I am just trying to avoid the Verizon traveling plan (at $10 per day; that will add up for a 10 day trip). I should have done the eSim thing when I went to France last summer. I thought I could get away with using wi-fi in the hotel and different public places. I still needed my phone to do the tap for the Paris metro. All told, I racked up an extra $50 in roaming charges for the limited time (about 6 days) I wasn't strictly on wi-fi.

TWA884 Jul 11, 2025 10:11 pm


Originally Posted by HawaiiTrvlr (Post 37199490)
I am just trying to avoid the Verizon traveling plan (at $10 per day; that will add up for a 10 day trip).

Easy, switch to Verizon's Unlimited Ultimate plan; it includes unlimited calling and texting in 210 countries and to the US, 15GB of high speed international roaming data and 300 minutes of calls from the US to the country of your choice per billing period.


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