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CPRich Oct 11, 2012 5:29 pm


Originally Posted by mooper (Post 19473977)
The problem with that Apple-biased testing

I have no history reading Laptop Magazine test results, so I can't say whether they have an Apple bias. If you think they do, then you can read the result accordingly.

I don't put much value on the "next version will be much better" argument. I suspect every software release claims to be "better" in some ways. Android 4.1 may be better, I have no idea. iOS 6.1 may be better, I have no idea. The tests are what they are, when they were.

I only found one other actual test with a bit more time spent searching, and it had the iPhone5 4-6% worse in battery life than the 4/4s. Combining the two data sets, the 5 still seems about the same or better.

If battery life is your prime concern, a Razr Maxx is what you need. I've been on and off all day and am at 48% remaining, so it's good enough for me. Though I do wish it had a replacable battery. I always had 2-3 BB batteries and when it did die, it was 5 min back to 100%. Needing to wait for a charge, and having only 1 cable now that my old ones are obsolete, is a pain. And I still miss my keyboard.

planemechanic Oct 11, 2012 7:40 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 19480123)
Iirc, that was the point of my response. Stating that a platform saw no boost in sales, and referring to sales data from the last quarter (post 186), less than 20 days after the product is released, is a failure. I would suspect that iPhone share dropped before the iPhone4 was released, it dropped before the iPhone3 was released, etc. - that doesn't demonstrate that the iPhone3 and iPhone4 were failure.

I simply suggested waiting to look at the quarterly data in the quarter after the product is released to see what impact it had. That doesn't seen too unreasonable to me. It may or may not spike, but looking at data before release and calling is a failure doesn't make sense.

Some people have a story to tell, and your facts don't support that story so they will be ignored.

mooper Oct 11, 2012 9:38 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 19480123)
Stating that a platform saw no boost in sales, and referring to sales data from the last quarter (post 186), less than 20 days after the product is released, is a failure. I would suspect that iPhone share dropped before the iPhone4 was released, it dropped before the iPhone3 was released, etc. - that doesn't demonstrate that the iPhone3 and iPhone4 were failure.

Let me clarify: In the month *following* every iPad/iPhone release over the past few years, Android market share declined (whereas it had been increasing steadily otherwise) while iOS share spiked. This time, in the month following the release, there was no marked change. I agree with you that quarterly snapshots are more meaningful as well as with your assertion that one month doesn't make a trend, but when taken in the context of very reliable past post-release advantages and the widespread displeasure with the IP5, I believe that something meaningful is driving the numbers. The stock drop and the fact that no one can describe what advantages the iPhone 5 has over the S3 (a much older device) is even more context to heed.

planemechanic Oct 11, 2012 11:25 pm

Is there any single Android handset that sells more units than Apple does with the iPhone?

mooper Oct 11, 2012 11:35 pm


Originally Posted by planemechanic (Post 19481830)
Is there any single Android handset that sells more units than Apple does with the iPhone?

No. Other than color and memory, Apple gives no choice... all iOS phones are one size fits all, one manufacturer. Android phones come in many sizes, prices, specs, strengths, so no one model is dominant enough to sell more than the unified iPhone, despite the fact that Android is the dominant phone type/OS.

planemechanic Oct 12, 2012 2:23 am


Originally Posted by planemechanic (Post 19481830)
Is there any single Android handset that sells more units than Apple does with the iPhone?

Anyone?

stimpy Oct 12, 2012 2:43 am

What is your point? That a monolithic structure is better than flexibility? There are arguments on both sides.

LIH Prem Oct 12, 2012 3:23 am


Originally Posted by planemechanic (Post 19481830)
Is there any single Android handset that sells more units than Apple does with the iPhone?

seriously .. who cares?

It's not going to change my mind about which phone I buy.

-David

DYKWIA Oct 12, 2012 7:28 am


Originally Posted by planemechanic (Post 19481830)
Is there any single Android handset that sells more units than Apple does with the iPhone?

Do you ever post anything other than tedious Apple fanboi drivel?

planemechanic Oct 12, 2012 8:04 am


Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 19483122)
Do you ever post anything other than tedious Apple fanboi drivel?

LOL

A simple question is "tedious Apple fanboi drivel"? Scared to answer the question?

mooper Oct 12, 2012 8:46 am


Originally Posted by planemechanic (Post 19483346)
LOL

A simple question is "tedious Apple fanboi drivel"? Scared to answer the question?

Your question was already answered. How is the question relevant to previous discussion? Apple's restriction on the iOS and resulting consolidation to one manufacturer and phone type doesn't inherently give an advantage nor disadvantage (it may be argued either way). The only certainties is that it stacks greater sales numbers into one category and gives less choice.

Need Oct 12, 2012 9:55 am


Originally Posted by planemechanic (Post 19481830)
Is there any single Android handset that sells more units than Apple does with the iPhone?

Well you know that it was a rhetorical question. I think what Apple did with the iPhone is very smart. They have 100% control of the hardware and software design. For other OS like Android, you get a very different experience running the same version on a high end device and on a $50 generic brand device.

The women in my family, (wife, mom, sister, sister-in-law) will never switch from their iPhones to anything else. It is just that good! I am planning to switch to Android and they are all looking at me like a traitor.. :p

planemechanic Oct 12, 2012 4:44 pm


Originally Posted by Need (Post 19483964)
Well you know that it was a rhetorical question. I think what Apple did with the iPhone is very smart. They have 100% control of the hardware and software design. For other OS like Android, you get a very different experience running the same version on a high end device and on a $50 generic brand device.

The women in my family, (wife, mom, sister, sister-in-law) will never switch from their iPhones to anything else. It is just that good! I am planning to switch to Android and they are all looking at me like a traitor.. :p

It's not a rhetorical question at all, it is a serious question. I was wondering if anyone knew of a site that showed the numbers. So far no one has been able to answer the question.

Need Oct 12, 2012 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by planemechanic (Post 19486264)
It's not a rhetorical question at all, it is a serious question. I was wondering if anyone knew of a site that showed the numbers. So far no one has been able to answer the question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...le_phones#2011

planemechanic Oct 12, 2012 7:13 pm

Thanks, though I wish it was broken out by model rather than by calendar year.


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