Hi, anybody know what TIME pre-ordering starts on the 14th?
If its same time as the 4S, then it'll be midnight pacific time. Just need confirmation.

They apparently have enough cash to last a year and a half, I don't think it's an issue. Their delays were inexcusable, but I think they've learned from that.

I got the new Bold earlier this year and will keep it until the new BB comes out in March or April of 2013.

These expose's always crack me up.

"You can't take advantage of someone by offering them a job"

Clearly the people who choose to work at Foxconn do so because it improves upon their current situation.

Please explain, what fragmentation?

Lightning = mistake
 

I can't help but think that Apple is making a huge mistake with the new connector. Some people have gone along with Apple the last few years - perhaps not thinking too much about it - buying a new iPhone every other generation. Along the way, they've bought chargers, docks, alarm clocks, and other accessories that have tied them closer and closer to the Apple tree.

Now, along comes the new connector, all the accessories are instantly obsolete* and they have to buy all new ones.

Isn't this the perfect reason for those people to consider another, non-Apple, line of phones? If they have to buy all new accessories anyway, why not open the door wide?

*Yes, I know you can buy a converter for $30. But who's going to do that for a charger that cost $5?

I do admit the cord this is a pretty big issue for me. I have a sweet dock that holds and charges my IPAD and Iphone4. Now I have to have the connector to use it. then I need one for the car, and need one for the bathroom as I charge it while getting ready for work and listening to Iheartradio. It will be a major pain. I know I will misplace it and its one more cord I have to travel with. One for the Ipad, one for the Iphone 5. Don't like it.

I agree, I think they made a huge mistake. One of the reasons I will probably switch is that I don't want to get rid of my Ipad and I like that the two sync togeher if I switched phones that would not happen. I don't want to have to get a new tablet and a new phone. Another big reason that I stick with Apple is the customer service. They are so good about replacing things with new with little effort. There is not an Adroid store you can walk in to and talk to experts on the product and get help when you need it.

12:01 PST. I also just heard that unlocked phones will not be on sale at this time. I called Apple to confirm and they said they do not have any information on unlocked phones.

I will probably be getting one - but that's because it really is time to upgrade my 3GS.

It amazes me though how offended people get if you like/don't like a particular piece of technology - as if it's a personal affront to somebody that I like my iPhone instead of wanting a Samsung.

Last time around you couldn't get them online initially, but you could get them in the stores on day 1. (if you were willing to do that.)

-David

I'm guessing he means the 3 models? (different subsets of LTE bands in each.)
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/12/apple-iphone-5-lte/

-David

You can get an unlocked iPhone from a non-US Apple site. Of course, you have to have a shipping address in that country.

New Connector
 

Like others, I'm also annoyed by the new connector. However, I realize the old connector has been the same since the first iPhone and accept the fact that technology evolves to keep up with the advancements which includes this connector.
I just more annoyed with the inflated and completely unjustified price! It's not that $25 is going to break the bank, it's the principle.

Nice original subject line!

I'm getting one!

It's related to software development. As I understand it, there are now iPhones using different IOS - meaning some can't be upgraded. Now, you've got a phone with a different screen size/resolution. It drives developers batty.

makes more sense than what I thought. the different screen size part of it does, anyway. With Android, the manufacturers decide which phones get upgrades and which don't, right? and it was hit or miss for ICS, wasn't it? With Apple, there's only Apple, and the oldest devices fall off the supported list regularly. All the current ones get updates. So it's a little different in that sense.

-David

Yes. I know this personally as I saw my friend field test it earlier this month.

Actually, it's as of Sep 14 @ 00:01 (midnight plus one minute PST) if by phone rep or premier. Stores are at later times.



One more thing: there's a incentive for those with certain n00bish phones that are 3GS+, when ordering by phone. Keep that in mind.

shipping time is already up to 2 weeks.

-David

Not me. and i have a mac air and ipad but......

1. very expensive
2. screen size still small relative to what i have now
3. can't upsize battery
4. new connector means more new cords
5. nanosim

really underwhelmed

Not getting one. I don't see anything useful to me that the Samsung Galaxy S III does not have.

Apple are now saying that an adapter to the old dock connector will be shipped with each phone.

Well at least they're admitting that the consumer is likely to need this item asap unlike "the you're holding the phone the wrong way" iPhone 4 launch. Bumper anyone?

In Soviet Russia they already use iPhone 6

Pre-ordered one for the wife. Will sell her 4S to eBay Instant for $275 so we made the money back and more. Might as well get top dollar for the 4S while we can.

trying to pre-order unlocked phone on line...

appears not to be available at this point without contract. 4 and 4S available unlocked...but I want the 5.

is that normal for new iphones? any advice?

thanks

I think you can buy an unlocked Verizon phone (not sure) but ATT will probably be available in about a month if past timing is any indication

I'm torn between the iPhone5 and the Galaxy S3. I haven't used either system before. I'm buying the iPhone first and activating. If I don't like it in 30 days, I'll swap out!

Insecurity.

And it's hilarious to hear Samsung being cited as innovative.

Before they were copying iPhone, they were copying Blackberry.

I'll stick with no...no apple products in this house. Plus loving every minute with my HTC One X, Wow!

Faster processor, LTE, dual-band Wifi, new connector, sRGB screen are software upgradeable?

Supposedly, T-Mobile will roll out LTE networks using the same bands supported by teh AT&T SKU of the iPhone 5.

Don't know when T-Mobile will roll that out though. They may not keep low pricing if they put up an expensive new network.

thanks...but I need it for foreign travel so neither carrier will help. I'll see what happens in coming weeks after the initial clamor dies down...if it does : )

+ infinity

Have never owned derivative, wildly overpriced Cupertino Crap, and never will.

Wow, that's really awesome. We bow down in humbleness before your mighty "+infinity'ishness" Thanks for so eloquently bathing us in the light of your glory...

Perhaps you could go shine your light in this "not iPhone" thread, that's generated you know, 4 posts...

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-2-thread.html

Regards

You're quite welcome - you may rise ;)

Hey, if I could make oodles of money imitating the likes of Messers. Barnum and Jobs, I'd probably do it too.....

Lol! In other words "those guys aren't I sheep! What losers!". :D

Do I need to google the meaning of the word "many" for you?

Yeah, Samsung can't innovate.

Which is why Apple has historically always turned to Samsung for their displays, processor technology and DRAM inventions.

Apple may have cornered the market on rectangles and bouncy icons, but REAL innovation all came from others. Apple products rely heavily on the innovation of others - like Nokia, Motorola and Samsung. Your new LTE in the iPHone? The result of a decade of research from almost every telecom company in the world - all except Apple: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_timeline

There is no denying that Apple has done something amazing with the iPhone, but don't let the flossy exterior trick you into thinking they invented everything inside that phone.

They never claimed telecom tech was part of their core competency (though they've bought up a sizable number of patents which make up the LTE patent pool).

Obviously software, services and UX are not part of Samsung's core competency, which is why they copied Apple, producing 150-page document comparing Apple and their implementation of the UI and UX.

So that's why the Galaxy S3 touts S-Cloud, S-Voice, etc. Blatant copies of iOS features.

Samsung has been producing phones for longer so of course they've produced patents for 3G and now 4G (though LG has double the number of LTE patents apparently).

But for incorporating those patents into the ITU standard, they promised to accept FRAND terms. Now they're suing Apple with those, because they have nothing in the way of UI and UX patents, which are the secret sauce that makes smart phones sell.

Remember the Samsung Blackjack? That's from when they were copying Blackberry just before the iPhone came out. Hey if Samsung used all their LTE patents to make a LTE version of the Blackjack, would they sell a lot of those?

It's a good thing for them Google came along and decided to copy Apple. The original Android plans were also focused around making Blackberry clones.