Need help deciding between a tablet and netbook
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I am leaning towards an ultrabook though that was not within my original budget.
I am hoping there would be back to school deals on these from next week. Samsung Series 9/HP Folio/Asus are available ~$600. I am not an apple fanboy and don't care about looks. Will the Macbook Air provide any additional advantages?
I am hoping there would be back to school deals on these from next week. Samsung Series 9/HP Folio/Asus are available ~$600. I am not an apple fanboy and don't care about looks. Will the Macbook Air provide any additional advantages?
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I am leaning towards an ultrabook though that was not within my original budget.
I am hoping there would be back to school deals on these from next week. Samsung Series 9/HP Folio/Asus are available ~$600. I am not an apple fanboy and don't care about looks. Will the Macbook Air provide any additional advantages?
I am hoping there would be back to school deals on these from next week. Samsung Series 9/HP Folio/Asus are available ~$600. I am not an apple fanboy and don't care about looks. Will the Macbook Air provide any additional advantages?
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I need a tablet/netbook for an upcoming extended travel. I'm leaning towards the Asus Transformer. Would you recommend it?
I want to use it to surf the web, check emails while I'm on the road traveling. Don't want to bring something too expensive like the iPad that might get lost/stolen or something too big or heavy like a laptop.
I want to use it to surf the web, check emails while I'm on the road traveling. Don't want to bring something too expensive like the iPad that might get lost/stolen or something too big or heavy like a laptop.
Both the HP Folio and Samsung Series 9 are available with both i5 and i3 processors; I'd avoid the i3, if possible. I'd expect the $600ish systems to be i3s, but you might find a deal on an i5.
Probably out of budget at around $1000, but the Asus UX21 (11.6" ultrabook) looks like one of the sweetest travel notebooks out there, and has a ULV i5.
How large are the LaTeX documents you're working with? How heavily graphical? Book-length stuff (eg a PhD dissertation) are going to be a lot more painful on a low end processor than 10-12 page papers.
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If you don't like the MacOS, I'd steer clear of the MacBook Air. One can run Windows on it, but instead of "just working" it becomes an bit of chore with drivers -- what most people try to avoid in buying a Mac. The construction, battery life, and screen quality are all very good. I don't like the keyboard, but then, I don't like the basic chiclet style of keyboard that is taking over the industry and is shared with every single ultrabook out there.
Both the HP Folio and Samsung Series 9 are available with both i5 and i3 processors; I'd avoid the i3, if possible. I'd expect the $600ish systems to be i3s, but you might find a deal on an i5.
Probably out of budget at around $1000, but the Asus UX21 (11.6" ultrabook) looks like one of the sweetest travel notebooks out there, and has a ULV i5.
How large are the LaTeX documents you're working with? How heavily graphical? Book-length stuff (eg a PhD dissertation) are going to be a lot more painful on a low end processor than 10-12 page papers.
Both the HP Folio and Samsung Series 9 are available with both i5 and i3 processors; I'd avoid the i3, if possible. I'd expect the $600ish systems to be i3s, but you might find a deal on an i5.
Probably out of budget at around $1000, but the Asus UX21 (11.6" ultrabook) looks like one of the sweetest travel notebooks out there, and has a ULV i5.
How large are the LaTeX documents you're working with? How heavily graphical? Book-length stuff (eg a PhD dissertation) are going to be a lot more painful on a low end processor than 10-12 page papers.
I am looking at a i5. There was a deal today on Samsung series 9 today at Microsoft Store for $700+free Xbox. Hopefully something similar will be repeated. I liked UX21 but as you mentioned it is out of budget. There is a Toshiba Portege Z835 for around 700. Reviews seem to be mixed.
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I need a tablet/netbook for an upcoming extended travel. I'm leaning towards the Asus Transformer. Would you recommend it?
I want to use it to surf the web, check emails while I'm on the road traveling. Don't want to bring something too expensive like the iPad that might get lost/stolen or something too big or heavy like a laptop.
I want to use it to surf the web, check emails while I'm on the road traveling. Don't want to bring something too expensive like the iPad that might get lost/stolen or something too big or heavy like a laptop.
Personally, it's nice but I would rather take my Acer 1830T than the Transformer. On our trip it was fine but if I wanted to do something beyond the basics it was a compromise.
Without the keyboard, the transformer is not fun to use for activities that require text entry; with the keyboard it's better but now you don't really have a tablet. A netbook is not as sexy but much more practical. It is nice that it can HDMI dock but my 1830T can, too and it is a very efficient and stable device.
I'd rather use my Android phone for nav and it, too, has an HDMI out for a larger screen.
Would I use an android pad? Sure, not to replace but enhance. That's why I want a great, reasonably priced 7" tablet. That is something I would ADD to the repertoire.
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There was a deal today on Samsung series 9 today at Microsoft Store for $700+free Xbox. Hopefully something similar will be repeated. I liked UX21 but as you mentioned it is out of budget. There is a Toshiba Portege Z835 for around 700. Reviews seem to be mixed.
100 pages of Latex on an Atom is going to be a very, very slow build on a Netbook processor.
Used business subnotebook of adequate speed would definitely be less conspicuous than a shiny new Ultrabook, although it'll be thicker, possibly a little heavier, and have a 12.1" rather than 13.3" screen. Also, depending on the generation still slower than the ultrabook, if a lot faster than the netbook.
Used X201 is probably the sweet spot of price/performance. but a little porky given other options in consideration. The Acer 1830T that JMN57 mentioned is another good option, but they're pretty much out of the pipeline now and not nearly as easy to find used/surplus as the Lenovos.
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Refurb with the i7 costs about the same as the Pentium does new surplus:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-Aspire-...item257252fdd7
but for many workloads will be twice as fast when plugged in given that it's got turbo to 2.53ghz vs. a fixed clock speed of 1.33ghz.
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(eta: that's the top of the line model of the machine JMN57 was recommending, and I mentioned in passing up-thread.)
Ignoring cost (which is a big win at that price), it's going to be thicker than the present round of ultrabooks, and perhaps not as good on battery life (although I believe it has an exchangeable battery, which ultrabooks generally don't.) It's not going to be as durable or fast as a business subnotebook, but it'll be lighter and have a better battery life.
Oh, and compared to an Atom or AMD C-series based netbook, it pretty much wins all-around (although it's a little pricier.)
You didn't mention any gaming or 3D-graphics-heavy use; the on-chip video for the first-generation mobile i7 like that has is a LOT weaker than than the 2nd-generation i5/i7 ("Sandy Bridge") but it's sufficient for any general-use. Just don't try gaming on it.

You did mention Photoshop, and it will not have GPU acceleration in Photoshop. For very serious users, that may be an issue, but for most users it won't be a noticeable issue, especially with a reasonably-fast processor (which that has.)
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eta2: if you have some budget left over, for a serious travel machine, replacing the HD with an SSD makes a big difference in durability of your date. There are some decent 240gb models for $180-$220 these days.
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At the under-$500 clearance price, looks like a very good choice.
(eta: that's the top of the line model of the machine JMN57 was recommending, and I mentioned in passing up-thread.)
Ignoring cost (which is a big win at that price), it's going to be thicker than the present round of ultrabooks, and perhaps not as good on battery life (although I believe it has an exchangeable battery, which ultrabooks generally don't.) It's not going to be as durable or fast as a business subnotebook, but it'll be lighter and have a better battery life.
Oh, and compared to an Atom or AMD C-series based netbook, it pretty much wins all-around (although it's a little pricier.)
You didn't mention any gaming or 3D-graphics-heavy use; the on-chip video for the first-generation mobile i7 like that has is a LOT weaker than than the 2nd-generation i5/i7 ("Sandy Bridge") but it's sufficient for any general-use. Just don't try gaming on it.
You did mention Photoshop, and it will not have GPU acceleration in Photoshop. For very serious users, that may be an issue, but for most users it won't be a noticeable issue, especially with a reasonably-fast processor (which that has.)
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eta2: if you have some budget left over, for a serious travel machine, replacing the HD with an SSD makes a big difference in durability of your date. There are some decent 240gb models for $180-$220 these days.
(eta: that's the top of the line model of the machine JMN57 was recommending, and I mentioned in passing up-thread.)
Ignoring cost (which is a big win at that price), it's going to be thicker than the present round of ultrabooks, and perhaps not as good on battery life (although I believe it has an exchangeable battery, which ultrabooks generally don't.) It's not going to be as durable or fast as a business subnotebook, but it'll be lighter and have a better battery life.
Oh, and compared to an Atom or AMD C-series based netbook, it pretty much wins all-around (although it's a little pricier.)
You didn't mention any gaming or 3D-graphics-heavy use; the on-chip video for the first-generation mobile i7 like that has is a LOT weaker than than the 2nd-generation i5/i7 ("Sandy Bridge") but it's sufficient for any general-use. Just don't try gaming on it.

You did mention Photoshop, and it will not have GPU acceleration in Photoshop. For very serious users, that may be an issue, but for most users it won't be a noticeable issue, especially with a reasonably-fast processor (which that has.)
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eta2: if you have some budget left over, for a serious travel machine, replacing the HD with an SSD makes a big difference in durability of your date. There are some decent 240gb models for $180-$220 these days.
I can't thank you enough! I have bought the Timeline, but I think I might return it and buy something with a SSD ~$600. There have been ~$600 deals on HP Folio and Samsung Series 9 recently.
I am an advanced amateur with photoshop and lightroom and use quite a few plugins. They run fine on my current Core 2 Duo 2 Ghz Thinkpad. I am still not convinced this Timeline can handle it though.
I am looking at an X230 for $678+tax with the following specs. Not sure if I should bite, this config has no SSD and putting that on my own will add another $200!
ThinkPad X230 - 1 Year Depot Warranty
Processor: Intel Core i5-3210M Processor (3M Cache, up to 3.10 GHz)
Operating system: Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit)
Operating system language: Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 - English
Display type: 12.5" Premium HD (1366x768) LED Backlit Display, Mobile Broadband Ready, 3x3 Antenna
System graphics: Intel HD 4000 Graphics in Intel Core i5-3210M Processor
Total memory: 4 GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (1 DIMM)
Keyboard: Keyboard - US English
Fingerprint reader: UltraNav without FingerPrint Reader
Hard drive: 320GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
Battery: 6 Cell ThinkPad Battery X44+
Power cord: 65W AC Adapter - US (2pin)
Integrated WiFi wireless LAN adapters: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN
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I'm not sure I'm right about which GPUs do acceleration in Photoshop and Lightroom, but my impression is none of the ones found in Core 2 Duo era laptops would do much if anything.
Interestingly, it looks like the HD3000 and HD4000 GPUs (in the newer 2###/3###-series i3/i5/i7) are supported for GPU acceleration by at least the newest versions of Photoshop, although this may be specific to CS6: http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/...6-gpu-faq.html
I am looking at an X230 for $678+tax with the following specs. Not sure if I should bite, this config has no SSD and putting that on my own will add another $200!
http://www.centralcomputers.com/ccp8...tasuux21ar.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Zenbook-UX21E-...keywords=UX21e
This may be helpful, or may be overly technical:
http://ark.intel.com/compare/65708,49664,56858
Bear in mind with the X230 you're going to need a 7mm SSD -- it doesn't add a lot of extra cost, but does reduce the number of models you an use a bit. One example I like.
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The current Asus Transformer is a good option as you can detach the keyboard if you want tablet only. However, being Android (and this is true for any iOS/Android based machine), the programs (or apps) will be poor cousins of what you're used to. But, it should be fine for general web browsing and light keyboarding.

