Personal off-site photo backups
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Personal off-site photo backups
My home LAN is set to do an incremental back up to a personally-owned thin client with a large hard drive via VPN every night. This lets me maintain an off-site backup of all my important data. I have not, however, been backing up my photos because of their sheer size -- the master directory has 210 gigs of photographs, and I've been scanning my old negatives on a regular basis. Each scan is about 55 megs, resulting in about 1.3 gigabytes of data a night. This is an awful lot of data to move over the VPN.
I was wondering how other people manage off-site storage of their photo data.
I was wondering how other people manage off-site storage of their photo data.
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looks like your main issue is the bandwidth.. can't really get around that unless you can physically take the backups to your off-site location or buy a higher tier connection plan.
my setup is a raid6 box at home that is backed up to a personal server on the backbone. the uploading to the server is pretty slow (i limit it to ~40kB/s so my home internet isn't bottlenecked), but the downloading is fast.
my setup is a raid6 box at home that is backed up to a personal server on the backbone. the uploading to the server is pretty slow (i limit it to ~40kB/s so my home internet isn't bottlenecked), but the downloading is fast.
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There are off site solutions where you can send them the initial load on media and they will load it for you which will save you from uploading hundreds of gigs of data to start. After that you can just upload the changes each night.
But I don't see the value in doing it that way, you will have to pay monthly for it, and should you ever need the data it will take forever for you to get it (forever in relative terms)
Staples has a 500 GB external drive for $50, and a 1TB drive for $60 this week. If you currently are at 210 GB, and add 40 GB (about) per month, a year from now you will still probably be OK with the 500 GB drive.
I would buy two external drives. Do a full backup and put one off site. Each day for a week or two, do an incremental of the files you add on the other drive, and the last day do another full backup to it. Take that off site, bring the other one back, and repeat. If you were to get two of the 500 GB drives, the total cost would be $100 or about $8.33 per month. You won't find an online service to come close to that.
But I don't see the value in doing it that way, you will have to pay monthly for it, and should you ever need the data it will take forever for you to get it (forever in relative terms)
Staples has a 500 GB external drive for $50, and a 1TB drive for $60 this week. If you currently are at 210 GB, and add 40 GB (about) per month, a year from now you will still probably be OK with the 500 GB drive.
I would buy two external drives. Do a full backup and put one off site. Each day for a week or two, do an incremental of the files you add on the other drive, and the last day do another full backup to it. Take that off site, bring the other one back, and repeat. If you were to get two of the 500 GB drives, the total cost would be $100 or about $8.33 per month. You won't find an online service to come close to that.
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Do you have bandwidth constraints or charges? Yes, it's a lot to move, but at 2Mbps it shouldn't take more than a couple of hours. If it's set to run in the middle of the night then running flat out for a few hours vs. being idle doesn't really make a difference does it?
I have 260GB on Carbonite and it just ran in the background continuously for 2 months. I set it to low priority so it slowed down when I was using the machine and ramped up when it was idle. I figure optical/copper cables and such don't get tired from over-usage.
I also have a 1TB external drive that my in-laws bring with them on their visits every few months that I back up to, and I hand them a set of new DVDs (one of each is also in my on-site safe). It's not timely, but it's just a 3rd level backup.
I have 260GB on Carbonite and it just ran in the background continuously for 2 months. I set it to low priority so it slowed down when I was using the machine and ramped up when it was idle. I figure optical/copper cables and such don't get tired from over-usage.
I also have a 1TB external drive that my in-laws bring with them on their visits every few months that I back up to, and I hand them a set of new DVDs (one of each is also in my on-site safe). It's not timely, but it's just a 3rd level backup.
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I have 260GB on Carbonite and it just ran in the background continuously for 2 months. I set it to low priority so it slowed down when I was using the machine and ramped up when it was idle. I figure optical/copper cables and such don't get tired from over-usage.
I also have a 1TB external drive that my in-laws bring with them on their visits every few months that I back up to, and I hand them a set of new DVDs (one of each is also in my on-site safe). It's not timely, but it's just a 3rd level backup.
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While I've got the bandwidth to do online backups, I currently use a pair of 1TB lacie drives for my photo backups.
#9
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For a fee, amazon will take a harddrive and put it on its cloud. S3 is really easy to use with lots of apps written for it to do incremental backups etc. http://aws.amazon.com/importexport/
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For those looking for more storage options
http://googledrive.blogspot.com/2014...gle-drive.html
We've lowered the price of our monthly storage plans to $1.99 for 100GB (previously $4.99), $9.99 for 1TB (previously $49.99), and $99.99 for 10TB, with even more storage available if you need it. How big is a terabyte anyway? Well, that’s enough storage for you to take a selfie twice a day for the next 200 years and still have room left over for… shall we say… less important things. Like before, storage continues to work across Drive, Gmail and Google+ Photos. And, of course, the 15GB plan remains free.
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I've been reading stuff about Amazon Glacier too. Would you guys recommend Google Drive over Amazon Glacier for photo backups? The only cons I can see is, it's troublesome to retrieve backups via Amazon Glacier.
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The disadvantage of Glacier is that in addition to storage you potentially have to pay for retrieval and bandwidth - plus restores take significant time although that's likely not a problem for photos.
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I think the main question is, do you use this as emergency back-up or daily storage? And how long can you live without these files?
If this is emergency back-up as last reserve, then I think the downloading expenses don´t matter as you have already lost your copies and you have to use the back-up. Then comes the 3rd question, how long can you live without these files? Do you need those asap or can you wait.
If you need this more like daily/montly storage, the the transfer fee should be calculated also.
I´m using the Glazier, but till now, I haven´t used the download mode at all, so I cannot comment how fast you actually get the back-ups on use when you need those. I use the Dropbox for the files which I need weekly.
Also Glazier and S3 has different purpose. Glazier is more like upload and forget until your house burns and S3 is more to daily/weekly/monthly usage. You cannot get the files on Glazier immediately on use as it takes acc Amazon 3-5 hours to retrieve the data before you can even start the downloading.
If this is emergency back-up as last reserve, then I think the downloading expenses don´t matter as you have already lost your copies and you have to use the back-up. Then comes the 3rd question, how long can you live without these files? Do you need those asap or can you wait.
If you need this more like daily/montly storage, the the transfer fee should be calculated also.
I´m using the Glazier, but till now, I haven´t used the download mode at all, so I cannot comment how fast you actually get the back-ups on use when you need those. I use the Dropbox for the files which I need weekly.
Also Glazier and S3 has different purpose. Glazier is more like upload and forget until your house burns and S3 is more to daily/weekly/monthly usage. You cannot get the files on Glazier immediately on use as it takes acc Amazon 3-5 hours to retrieve the data before you can even start the downloading.
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Google Photos now has unlimited photo/video backup for free. Photos up to 16MP and videos up to 1080P. It does a lot of extras too. I like the animations and trip collections. The auto face grouping is surprisingly accurate. The best part is it is now separate from Google+. I really hate Google+ so I never considered using its photo backup before.