TSA Expands Selectee Checkpoint Program
Jul 8, 2003 | 11:24 pm
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TSA Expands Selectee Checkpoint Program
TSA Expands Selectee Checkpoint Program
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) announced that Portland (Ore.) International, beginning July 9, will participate in the Selectee Checkpoint Program at the ABC security checkpoint.
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The Selectee Checkpoint Program transfers the screening of selectees from aircraft boarding gates to security checkpoints where screening equipment and personnel are concentrated. Currently, 260 airports participate in the program, the TSA said. </font>
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The Selectee Checkpoint Program transfers the screening of selectees from aircraft boarding gates to security checkpoints where screening equipment and personnel are concentrated. Currently, 260 airports participate in the program, the TSA said. </font>
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
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Jul 9, 2003 | 4:35 am
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Yep, now all the selectees will be screened at the checkpoint instead of the gates, so no more/greatly reduced gate screening at yet another airport. Thats how we have been doing it for many months now.
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Jul 9, 2003 | 6:33 am
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This miserable agency should eliminate the selectee program completely! 
Idiotic harassment is still idiotic harassment, no matter where it takes place.
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Idiotic harassment is still idiotic harassment, no matter where it takes place.
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Jul 9, 2003 | 6:55 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff:
This miserable agency should eliminate the selectee program completely!
Idiotic harassment is still idiotic harassment, no matter where it takes place.
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This miserable agency should eliminate the selectee program completely!
Idiotic harassment is still idiotic harassment, no matter where it takes place.
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Spiff...you know good and well that the "selectee" program was in place WAY before the TSA. Rant and rave all you want, it is quite funny.
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Jul 9, 2003 | 7:20 am
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And you know good and well it was an extremely rare event when someone was given selectee-screening pre-TSA. Your miserable agency has expanded this harassment to no good end.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by The Unknown Screener:
Spiff...you know good and well that the "selectee" program was in place WAY before the TSA. Rant and rave all you want, it is quite funny.
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Spiff...you know good and well that the "selectee" program was in place WAY before the TSA. Rant and rave all you want, it is quite funny.
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Jul 9, 2003 | 8:26 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff:
And you know good and well it was an extremely rare event when someone was given selectee-screening pre-TSA. Your miserable agency has expanded this harassment to no good end.</font>
And you know good and well it was an extremely rare event when someone was given selectee-screening pre-TSA. Your miserable agency has expanded this harassment to no good end.</font>
Jul 9, 2003 | 8:49 am
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Not true!
Your agency selects passengers for extra screening. And the airlines had far fewer SSSS selectees before your agency came into existence. There is more than a casual connection between those two events.
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Your agency selects passengers for extra screening. And the airlines had far fewer SSSS selectees before your agency came into existence. There is more than a casual connection between those two events.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TakeScissorsAway:
The only "selectees" we encounter are the ones generated by the airline.
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The only "selectees" we encounter are the ones generated by the airline.
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Jul 9, 2003 | 10:46 am
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Please -- allow me to complete your sentence for you...
at the request of the Federal government.
To imply that the airlines are responsible for this stretches the limits of credulity.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">The only "selectees" we encounter are the ones generated by the airline
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To imply that the airlines are responsible for this stretches the limits of credulity.
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Jul 9, 2003 | 8:37 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RS:
Given the Nazi practice of "selection" (for gas chamber vs. work) it's pretty ugly to use the term selectee.</font>
Given the Nazi practice of "selection" (for gas chamber vs. work) it's pretty ugly to use the term selectee.</font>
Jul 9, 2003 | 9:01 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff:
Not true!
Your agency selects passengers for extra screening. And the airlines had far fewer SSSS selectees before your agency came into existence. There is more than a casual connection between those two events.</font>
Not true!
Your agency selects passengers for extra screening. And the airlines had far fewer SSSS selectees before your agency came into existence. There is more than a casual connection between those two events.</font>
Jul 9, 2003 | 9:03 pm
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Well, lessee...
The well-balanced TSA screener in Seattle Monday decided to call the supervisor, because... GG was not gung-ho for the chit-chat. That's right, we got called on not being cheerful enough.
Fortunately, the supervisor was intelligent and seemed truly interested in discerning threats from noise. I explained that we did not care for their procedures, did not care to be condescended to about how much we should like them, but were very focussed on proving we were not a threat and getting through to our flight.
We were passed through with no more than normal crap.
But that initial screener was on the ultimate power trip!
Tell me, why should we PRETEND we like this stupid system? I know enough about statistics to know how worthless it is... and then the *itch at the screening machine wants us to pretend we like it? Well, we don't. It's crap, and they should be told that occasionally.
And the ones on a power trip should be fired.
Osama wins again! Aren't you happy?
The well-balanced TSA screener in Seattle Monday decided to call the supervisor, because... GG was not gung-ho for the chit-chat. That's right, we got called on not being cheerful enough.
Fortunately, the supervisor was intelligent and seemed truly interested in discerning threats from noise. I explained that we did not care for their procedures, did not care to be condescended to about how much we should like them, but were very focussed on proving we were not a threat and getting through to our flight.
We were passed through with no more than normal crap.
But that initial screener was on the ultimate power trip!
Tell me, why should we PRETEND we like this stupid system? I know enough about statistics to know how worthless it is... and then the *itch at the screening machine wants us to pretend we like it? Well, we don't. It's crap, and they should be told that occasionally.
And the ones on a power trip should be fired.
Osama wins again! Aren't you happy?
Jul 9, 2003 | 11:49 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CATSA Screener:
It's pretty ugly to insert overwrought comparisons to Nazism into every discussion about the TSA.</font>
It's pretty ugly to insert overwrought comparisons to Nazism into every discussion about the TSA.</font>
Jul 10, 2003 | 4:40 am
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I understand why we have the screening, but it is fighting the war of the past. I would rather they give every able bodied passenger a knife to defend the cabin if necessary, keep the cockpit door locked, and disperse the TSA employees around the airport perimeter to make sure there is no one ready to take down an airliner with a shoulder-fired Stinger.
What I fear is a random attack on an airliner, or worse yet, a coordinated attack where Stingers are fired at 10-15 airliners at different locations simultaneously. But at least all the pax on those planes will not have any nail files, screwdrivers or corkscrews!
What I fear is a random attack on an airliner, or worse yet, a coordinated attack where Stingers are fired at 10-15 airliners at different locations simultaneously. But at least all the pax on those planes will not have any nail files, screwdrivers or corkscrews!
Jul 10, 2003 | 5:02 am
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Ya know, I live about 6 miles from my airport and the planes are low enough outside that anyone who was so inclined and had a stinger could take one down from 6-8 miles away from the airport. If it is going to happen, it will not be near an airport.
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