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Old Apr 22, 2014, 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by suzy1K
One night he was commuting from the east coast to DTW. The Ex flight had rolling delays. Eventually the agent said the flight was cancelled and sent the pax to another carrier. The pilots told my friend to stand by. After the other carrier's flight had departed the original flight was reinstated. My friend had the cabin to himself. The pilots told him that because the flight did operate the company would still be paid (whether or not there were pax).
Sounds like DTW is the base and the pilots wanted to get home. It's amazing what a pilot will do to get home. But yes many of the express airline are fee for departure.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 9:59 am
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Originally Posted by AndyAA
A business that is unable to generate enough revenue to cover the costs of doing business shouldn't stay in business. Something's got to give.
Originally Posted by formeraa
And a shortage of consumers who are willing to pay the full cost of airline travel...
Most of the airlines are fat and happy in their new, less competitive environment. Fares, profits, and stock prices are rising. The blame-the-customer-for-not-paying-more line is (A) silly, as the airlines set the prices, and (B) obsolete, as ruinous below-cost-basis competition ceased to destabilize the industry ten or more years ago.

As fares go up and choices and capacity go down, there is no sign of a "strike" by customers. The only cohort on the supply side that has failed to benefit from consolidation and cartel-ization is the rank-and-file employees, particularly regional pilots.

Originally Posted by stubbleduck
You want good pilots? Pay them appropriately in the early years of their careers, not just in the last ten years of the career and only if they have survived assorted furlough's and other turmoil.
EXACTLY. ^ The post-Colgan reforms are supposed to result in better pilots. You do not get better pilots by quadrupling the height of the entry bar, but sticking with poverty wages. You get a lot fewer pilots, and a supply-demand crisis that market forces will have to correct.

Originally Posted by ffI
ALL legacies were saddled with union pay scales and went under. SW was not a legacy when the deregulation started and so has been profitable so far.

Pan AM, TWA, Braniff, Eastern, CO, UA, AA, DL and NW, US all have gone under and either resurfaced or stayed down.
It's absurd to attribute all those corporate casualties to labor costs, and you forget that virtually all the LCC, non-union, cheap-labor-based startup airlines since deregulation failed as well -- except America West. Most airlines expire because of dumb management, not expensive pilots. The ONE legacy carrier on your list that went out because of union obstinacy ("Full pay to the last day!") was Eastern.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 10:11 pm
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Southwest only survived because they made one of that greatest fuel hedges of all times. They were paying $1/5 of the cost of fuel that other airlines were. When all other airlines were paying full retail at $150 a barrel SWA was pay sub $50. Now there fuel hedge has run of and there margins are tighter then ever. SWA pilots make more then any other pilots who fly the 737. If it wasn't for all the mergers they could be in a world of pain right now.
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Old Apr 23, 2014, 1:14 am
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Originally Posted by formeraa
And a shortage of consumers who are willing to pay the full cost of airline travel...
I don't think there is enough data out there for you to make that statement, as the general public does not know what the "full cost" of airline travel really is. Just as with the horror stories about Obamacare causing prices to go through the roof and being unbearable, only to find out that Papa John's could provide all their employees with health care at the cost of 14 cents per pizza sold. We simply don't have the numbers out there to say that people wouldn't pay them. Fuel, not salaries, is BY FAR the biggest expense for airlines.
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