Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit
Dec 25, 2009, 6:30 pm
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Dec 25, 2009, 6:33 pm
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I think the appropriate punishment would be to void ALL his SkyMiles and revoke his membership in Priority Club.....this act of attempted violence is just unacceptable in this community
Dec 25, 2009, 7:09 pm
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Good multi page thread about it in the Delta Forum
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...s-detroit.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...s-detroit.html
Dec 25, 2009, 7:28 pm
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incompetent fool
Isn't it taught in Terrorism 101 that you blow the plane up while the tanks are full or nearly full to get a bigger bang? I should do a search on "Terrorism for Dummies".
Dec 25, 2009, 7:45 pm
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From msnbc.
I don't get why he wasn't prevented from getting on the flight in the first place, if his name was on a no-fly list. Either Peter King doesn't know what he's talking about, or there is something really wrong with homeland security (or, more likely, both).
On Rep. Peter King of New York, the senior Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, who was briefed on the incident, said Abdulmutallab was known in federal counterterrorism files and may have been on the government’s list of suspicious passengers banned from flying in the United States.
Dec 25, 2009, 7:46 pm
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Just a couple of comments:
1) No, an explosive does not have to be confined to detonate, at least not a high explosive. Deflagration of low explosives may be more efficient if strongly confined though.
2) Think back to junior High School science classes - if you are old enough to have had "real" demonstrations, you'll recall an experiment with a liquid and a powder (which I will not name here) that burst into a blazing flame. I suspect something of this nature.
Other reports I have read state that lower half of the suspect's body was aflame (ouch) and he was taken to a burn center with 3rd degree burns. Is it considered torture to withold morphine until he talks a bit ?
All in all, a disconcerting event. I imagine a rapid push for 100% use of millimeter wave body scanners for all air travellers soon...
1) No, an explosive does not have to be confined to detonate, at least not a high explosive. Deflagration of low explosives may be more efficient if strongly confined though.
2) Think back to junior High School science classes - if you are old enough to have had "real" demonstrations, you'll recall an experiment with a liquid and a powder (which I will not name here) that burst into a blazing flame. I suspect something of this nature.
Other reports I have read state that lower half of the suspect's body was aflame (ouch) and he was taken to a burn center with 3rd degree burns. Is it considered torture to withold morphine until he talks a bit ?
All in all, a disconcerting event. I imagine a rapid push for 100% use of millimeter wave body scanners for all air travellers soon...
Dec 25, 2009, 7:58 pm
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Dec 25, 2009, 8:47 pm
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Just a couple of comments:
1) No, an explosive does not have to be confined to detonate, at least not a high explosive. Deflagration of low explosives may be more efficient if strongly confined though.
2) Think back to junior High School science classes - if you are old enough to have had "real" demonstrations, you'll recall an experiment with a liquid and a powder (which I will not name here) that burst into a blazing flame. I suspect something of this nature.
Other reports I have read state that lower half of the suspect's body was aflame (ouch) and he was taken to a burn center with 3rd degree burns. Is it considered torture to withold morphine until he talks a bit ?
All in all, a disconcerting event. I imagine a rapid push for 100% use of millimeter wave body scanners for all air travellers soon...
1) No, an explosive does not have to be confined to detonate, at least not a high explosive. Deflagration of low explosives may be more efficient if strongly confined though.
2) Think back to junior High School science classes - if you are old enough to have had "real" demonstrations, you'll recall an experiment with a liquid and a powder (which I will not name here) that burst into a blazing flame. I suspect something of this nature.
Other reports I have read state that lower half of the suspect's body was aflame (ouch) and he was taken to a burn center with 3rd degree burns. Is it considered torture to withold morphine until he talks a bit ?
All in all, a disconcerting event. I imagine a rapid push for 100% use of millimeter wave body scanners for all air travellers soon...
Dec 25, 2009, 11:51 pm
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Too much is made of the no-fly list. Quite frankly it means nothing and it is advisable that people refrain from equating someone's name being on the list with a propensity to cause mischief. Many young children, including my own are on this list and other than making the american security establishment look like the foolish pigs that they are, this list has no positive qualities whatsoever.
Dec 26, 2009, 12:07 am
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Damn, glad no one was hurt (except the terrorist). Hopefully all will return to normal. Glad the other passengers got involved.
The rules have changed. As a passenger you can no longer be passive, you need to get involved and stop dangerous people from doing stuff like this.
I just hope this won't cause more senseless TSA actions / regulations and be the straw on the camel's back that breaks air travel.
PS - I hope the terrorist scum is in a lot of pain, and will endure a lot of agony during the recovery. The more pain the better.
The rules have changed. As a passenger you can no longer be passive, you need to get involved and stop dangerous people from doing stuff like this.
I just hope this won't cause more senseless TSA actions / regulations and be the straw on the camel's back that breaks air travel.
PS - I hope the terrorist scum is in a lot of pain, and will endure a lot of agony during the recovery. The more pain the better.
Dec 26, 2009, 12:49 am
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Perhaps just a test to determine reaction, which was excellent BTW.
Dec 26, 2009, 12:58 am
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BUT a couple of questions
a) how does increasing screening measures on flights FROM US airports help prevent this happening again?
b) will this mean the TSA will stop profiling ME types
c) will be there be more panicked passengers who refuse to fly unless the black guys - as opposed to Hindus, Sikhs or Buddhist monks - are removed from the flight?
d) why do Evul Turrists not use the loos when they are trying to blow up planes?
And a couple of points
a) did he decide to fly on Christmas Day because he knew security would be less?
b) did he have an man at AMS who was able to get him through security?
Dec 26, 2009, 4:52 am
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Hmm. Maybe he was coming from Abuja to deliver some of that money that I keep hearing about in emails.
Dec 26, 2009, 7:51 am
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Your child is not on the no-fly list. Someone with a substantially similar name is on the list. That's why they're adding full names, date of birth, and gender to the reservations. It will help the computers tell the difference between your child and the person on the list with the similar name.
Dec 26, 2009, 8:52 am
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Your child is not on the no-fly list. Someone with a substantially similar name is on the list. That's why they're adding full names, date of birth, and gender to the reservations. It will help the computers tell the difference between your child and the person on the list with the similar name.