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Old Oct 30, 2005, 8:19 pm
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Many guide books on Thailand only partially cover the subject of health and well-being while traveling in the country, so I would like to give you some advice about transportation, protocol, health, and the law. Hopefully it will help you to enjoy your travels in Northern Thailand.

When you arrive in Chiangmai, it helps to know a bit about transportation within the city. At the airport, train station, or bus station, you will probably be met by the representatives of various guesthouses and hotels and tour operators. If you have a specific place in mind and you don't see the specific signboard, you can always call the place to have someone pick you up from the train station, airport, or bus arcade depot. Taxis are available at the airport, with a price of 150 baht to most destinations.

The common vehicles of public transportation are more varied than public buses. The terms 'dtoog dtoog' and 'sarmlor' are open-air, three-wheel vehicles, and 'zeelor' and 'songthaew' describe vehicles with four wheels. Whenever you get in a 'dtoog dtoog', 'zeelor', or 'samlor', you should make sure that they take you where you want to go. Often the drivers work on commission and may tell you that the place you want to go is dirty, closed, or full if they don't have a previous agreement with the place you have in mind. Always negotiate the price before you get in a dtoog dtoog or samlor. A zeelor ride should cost 15 Baht on a regular route, more if you hire it out to go somewhere out of the way.

The best way to get around Chiangmai is by 'songthaew'. These are covered pick-up trucks with two benches in the back. “Songthaew” means “two benches” in Thai. You will see them everywhere, and it's easy to get them to pick you up. All you need to do is to put your arm out and look at the driver, and they will stop. Then tell the driver which street you want to go to, and if he is going that way, he will shake his head "yes"; if not, he will say "no" and go on. Don’t worry—there will be another one right behind him. When the driver turns down the street you want, start looking for where you want to get off and press the switch located on the roof of the cab. The driver will pull over, let you out, and then you pay him. The fare should be 20 Thai baht or less (around 50 cents). If you tell the driver a hotel or establishment, he will think you want to hire him for a private trip, and the price will be much more. Negotiate any price beforehand if you want to go to an establishment.

Thai culture and their way of thinking
Meeting and making friends with different people is an exciting part of travel anywhere. In Northern Thailand, it helps to know a bit of the language and something about the protocol. To say "hello", say "Sawasdee Krup" for men and "Sawasdee Kha" for women. To learn more Thai before you come, an excellent free teaching website can be found at http://www.learningthai.com/. You will gain loads of respect from the Thai people if you learn just the basics.

The Thais put a lot of emphasis on manners, so it's a good idea to learn to say "Thank you". In Thai, it's "Kob Khun", followed by "Krup" or "Kha" for women. The "wai" made by placing your palms together in front of the upper chest is the traditional Thai gesture of greeting or respect, and the gesture is always appreciated. The custom is that younger people "wai" elders first, so let the children and persons you think are younger than you "wai" before you "wai" them.

The Thai people have several customs that are important to remember to avoid causing offense. Never touch the head, because it is the most sacred part of the body. The feet are the lowliest part, so don't point them at others or rest them above ground level. Never stop a rolling Thai Baht coin or any type of Thai currency with your foot, as the money here has a picture of the king on it.

Respect for the king and religious customs is another important part of Thai protocol. They have great respect for the royal family, the flag, and anything with an image of the king, including the money. When you visit a Buddhist temple, you should always remove your shoes before entering any buildings. Men should wear long pants, and women should wear knee-length or longer skirts. Women are not allowed to touch monks or make prolonged eye contact with them. Do not sit on the walls surrounding the jedee, which contains the temple's sacred relics of the Buddha.

Don't display your anger, because the Thais will think you uncultured, and ranting will get you nowhere. Smile and think "no problem". Thais do not like confrontation, so getting angry will get you nowhere in Thailand. Here is an example:

Let’s say you arrive at your hotel and want a nice, hot shower or bath. You turn on the tap and find the hot water is not working. What most people would do is call the front desk and complain, and if you are tired, you might raise your voice a little, saying, “The hot water doesn’t work—what’s the problem?” It might take a long time before someone comes to check it out, if at all. What you should do is say, “I don’t know how to get the hot water turned on in my room; would you please have someone show me?” Someone will come to your room within a minute or two to check it out.

Important Do's and Don'ts
Thailand is a country of gourmands. Eating out is one the nation's favorite activities, and knowing a bit of table manners will help you appear more civilized. Waiters and waitresses in Thailand are trained to take your entire order. When they take the order, they will often ask "one", which is their way of asking whether they got it correctly or not. The entire meal is customarily served at the same time, but the empty dishes are removed one by one. Some street-side restaurants will not remove any dishes or bottles until you finish your meal. This is because they do not write down your order. They shout your order to the cook, and after the meal, they will count the plates and bottles and figure out the bill then.

Chiangmai and the north have plenty of night entertainment available. It runs the gamut from restaurants to nightclubs, discos, or video bars. Thai people are often as interested in meeting you as you might be in meeting them, but one should exercise discretion and sometimes a bit of caution, especially in matters of the heart. In romantic situations, Westerners and Thais both occasionally get hurt. The best advice is to think with your head AND your heart. Enjoy yourself, but be very adult about any given situation.

Many visitors to Chiangmai enjoy taking trips outside the city. We recommend these trips highly, but don't forget to bring a few extras in case of emergency. Flashlights and extra batteries, as well as film and camera batteries, are recommended, as are matches or a lighter. Jackets may be needed for the cold evenings, and don't forget a first-aid kit and the ever-important toilet paper for emergencies. Ear plugs are a good idea if staying overnight in a hill tribe village, as the roosters can be very loud at 3am.

Keeping healthy on holiday is essential. If you feel ill, it's probably a good idea to see a doctor in one of Chiangmai's clinics or hospitals. If you are worried that you may have come down with malaria, Chiangmai has an excellent malaria clinic. There you can get a 30-minute test. For more information, call the Regional Center at 222275. Whatever you do, don't take chances with your health while traveling away from home.

While Chiangmai is a great place to visit, just like any other city, crime is never on holiday when you are. Theft seems to be the most common tourist-targeted crime, and this includes credit cards and passports. How about carrying half your cash in a body money belt? If you must leave your passport or credit cards anywhere for safekeeping, we recommend using a safety deposit box in one of the local banks or your hotel. Do not give anyone valuables to put in a safe. Make sure you both have a key to the safety box and a list of items that you put in. When you go trekking, the Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) suggests that a photocopy of your passport is acceptable identification to carry on the trek.

Every visitor should be well-informed about Thailand's laws on illegal drugs. Drugs that are illegal in your home country are just as illegal in Thailand. There are no "recreational" drugs in Thailand. The list of banned substances includes marijuana and hashish, as well as opium, heroine, and cocaine. Unfortunately, some people come to Northern Thailand with the impression that the use of some drugs is okay. This is a misguided and very wrong impression. There are now undercover police in hill tribe villages, and you will get caught. Naiveté is not an excuse in court. There is extreme danger in buying or using drugs in Northern Thailand, and we hope all visitors will keep this in mind. The laws are very strict, and the punishment is not pleasant.

The advice given on this page is by no means comprehensive, but it presents many of the fundamental cautions that will help you get the most out of your trip to this beautiful country. If you would like more detailed medical or health information, please speak with a doctor or other trained professional. For legal or travel safety information, contact the Chiangmai Tourist Police.

To see a home video of my wife and I at Warorot Market in Chiang Mai see
http://www.all-thailand-exp.com/images/WM.wmv
about 7 minutes long, streams well with I.E. and Windows Media Player.

Enjoy,
Randy and Ning
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Old Oct 30, 2005, 8:41 pm
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Very well thought out and extremely helpful. We will be in Chang Mai on Dec. 20th for 4 days and I got a lot out of your advice. I particularly enjoyed viewing your video of the market. It got my adrenaline going in anticipation of this trip. Thank you!! ^
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Old Oct 31, 2005, 12:40 pm
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Well, there's a coincidence - we'll be there too. For 3 nights. Still deciding where to stay since Rachamankha is full. Might try Tri Yaan Na Ros as allthai suggests.
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Old Oct 31, 2005, 4:29 pm
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Well, there's a coincidence - we'll be there too. For 3 nights. Still deciding where to stay since Rachamankha is full. Might try Tri Yaan Na Ros as allthai suggests.
We just picked up 2 friends from the Chiang Mai airport and took then to Tri Yaan Na Ros. They are the only ones staying there. That might change by Dec. We will leave wed. for bird watching at Doi Inthanon national Park and return fri.
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Originally Posted by allthai

When you arrive in Chiangmai, it helps to know a bit about transportation within the city...Taxis are available at the airport, with a price of 150 baht to most destinations.

I found an English-speaking taxi driver (named Panchai, as I recall) who I hired by the day. The rate was quite reasonable. He knew the area quite well, and I also gained some insight into Thai culture. By the 3rd day we had established a rapport and Panchai took me to dinner with a Thai family for a unique and very pleasant opportunity to interact with the locals.

Don't display your anger, because the Thais will think you uncultured, and ranting will get you nowhere. Smile and think "no problem". Thais do not like confrontation, so getting angry will get you nowhere in Thailand.

When I started to get upset in a situation, I would use the phrase "mai pen rai" (no bid deal!) Thai's really appreciated hearing that, and it helped me temper my reactions. I never want to be that "ugly American".

Let’s say you arrive at your hotel and want a nice, hot shower or bath. You turn on the tap and find the hot water is not working. What most people would do is call the front desk and complain, and if you are tired, you might raise your voice a little, saying, “The hot water doesn’t work—what’s the problem?” It might take a long time before someone comes to check it out, if at all. What you should do is say, “I don’t know how to get the hot water turned on in my room; would you please have someone show me?” Someone will come to your room within a minute or two to check it out.

I had a situation similar to this...I could not get the hotel staff to return as scheduled some of my clothes I requested they press (I know, there are bigger problems in the world!!!). I meekly took my complaint to the front desk. Eventually the clothes, of course, showed up. I stopped short of making a scene, but still felt bad. I proceeded to thank the people who I had complained to, hoping they would not get in any trouble.


Many visitors to Chiangmai enjoy taking trips outside the city. We recommend these trips highly...

[B]I had the pleasure of visiting Doi Inthanon, Doi Suthep, and hilltribe and Long Neck villages (can be arranged by the hotel in Mae Hong Son), along with taking an elephant ride and visiting a beautiful garden.

An English-speaking travel agent can be invaluable in arranging local and regional travel. I met an agent who was a wealth of knowlegde on Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Loas border, and even Koh Samui travel.B]








To see a home video of my wife and I at Warorot Market in Chiang Mai see
http://www.all-thailand-exp.com/images/WM.wmv
about 7 minutes long, streams well with I.E. and Windows Media Player.

Enjoy,
Randy and Ning

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Old Nov 1, 2005, 5:26 pm
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AAJetMan mentions visiting the Long Neck Karen. There are certain places I recommend not to visit. The main one being to see the Paduang Long Neck Karen. This is one of the worst forms of tourism in Thailand. Any tour operator who does this tour has no consideration for the culture or the Karen People. Here is the real story.

The original custom is that only a girl born on a Wednesday during a full moon could wear the rings around her neck. Now because of the large number of tourists visiting these villages all the girls are wearing the rings as it is big money. A Photograph of 1 girls is as much as 500 baht.

Not only that but the villagers are kept in a compound surrounded by high walls so no one can see in. They are not allowed out of the camp so everyone just sits around waiting for the tourists. It costs at least 250 baht to get into the village which most goes to the tour operator.

Villagers have died in these compounds. These people deserve more than this. Here is a short article from the Nation newspaper on the seriousness of the problem.

MAE HONG SON- A provincial court in Mae Hong Son yesterday opened the trial of two Thai men on charges relating to the detention and death of a
long necked ethnic Padaung women, who, along with over 30 others of the same ethnicity ,was trafficked into Thailand from Burma two years ago.

Paduang- commonly known here as the long-necked hill people because the women normally wear brass necklaces,the number of which increases over the years-has been a strong tourist attraction in Mae Hong Son.

The group of detained Padaung had been lured and trafficked from their home village in northeastern Burma into Thailand by a Thai Karen agent, who had pledged to take them to visit their relatives in Mae Hong Son.

According to the rescued Padaung, the woman, a mother of two, died of exhaustion and heartbreak as she had been long separated from her children who remained in Burma.

Think of the children. A girl born in the mid 1980s when the first Paduang were kidnapped to Thailand now sits at home trapped in her surroundings. She has no normal social life or education, no outside friends and no hope for a future except being looked at by tourists taking pictures.
Please boycott any agency that wants to take you to see the Paduang Long Neck Karen.


Alternative:
A better alternative is visit a real hill tribe village. Many wonderful hill tribe villages can be accessed by vehicle, long tail boat or trekking. If your up for a good hike then trekking is for you.
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Old Nov 1, 2005, 6:02 pm
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Tri Yaan Na Ros

I´m on my way to Tri Yaan Na Ros on Saturday and will post from there.
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Old Nov 1, 2005, 10:29 pm
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A Photograph of 1 girls is as much as 500 baht.
There was no charge for taking photographs. Postcards cost about 15baht.YEMV.
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Old Nov 3, 2005, 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
Well, there's a coincidence - we'll be there too. For 3 nights. Still deciding where to stay since Rachamankha is full. Might try Tri Yaan Na Ros as allthai suggests.
More coincidence: We're booked into the Rachamankha!
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Old Nov 4, 2005, 4:53 am
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Originally Posted by SFWanderer
More coincidence: We're booked into the Rachamankha!
Now, now... it's not nice to gloat! I've tried every site I know and the hotel directly, with no luck.
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Old Nov 4, 2005, 5:04 pm
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Let us know when you plan to be in Chiang Mai and we will call Rachamankha and see if we can get a room for you.

Randy and Ning in Chiang Mai
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Old Nov 6, 2005, 7:52 am
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Gee, that's very generous, Allthai! We're going to be there from the 23rd of December for 3 nights and again just for the night of the 29th. I have booked the Yaang Come Village for the first 3 nights and the Royal Princess for the final night. Unless you think I've made a ghastly mistake (I am a bit alarmed by the murals above the beds at YCV), maybe I'll just stick to those and not trouble you.

But thanks a ton for the offer! ^
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Old Nov 6, 2005, 3:53 pm
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Gee, that's very generous, Allthai! We're going to be there from the 23rd of December for 3 nights and again just for the night of the 29th. I have booked the Yaang Come Village for the first 3 nights and the Royal Princess for the final night. Unless you think I've made a ghastly mistake (I am a bit alarmed by the murals above the beds at YCV), maybe I'll just stick to those and not trouble you.

But thanks a ton for the offer! ^
I agree the murals above the beds at YCV are a little much. These should have been framed and put elsewhere such as in the walkways. The murals show traditional village life hundreds of years ago. They were being nice in the painting as just 50 years ago most women went topless. I have seen old black and white photos of people in Chiang Mai back then. Also their restaurant has little in the way of Thai food and not very good. It seams they are more into Euopean tourists staying there and feel they don't like Thai food. This place is new so maybe in a year or two they can get the Thai food thing worked out.

The Royal Princes is very busy and noisy out front. Make sure you get a room in the back as the guy in the front who parks cars keeps blowing his whistle most of the night. The rooms are smaller than I am used to but OK for a night. For that type of hotel I would rather go for The Chiang Mai Empress or The Chiang Mai Plaza which is right in front of YCV.

My wife and I just did a Video of Wat Prathat Doi Suthep temple overlooking Chiang Mai yesterday. I will have it posted on the internet sometime today. You will be able to see it at http://www.all-thailand-exp.com/images/DS.wmv

Have fun,
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Thanks for the tips! And the video posting - Doi Suthep looks awesome.
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I liked your video on the Karen village people. It was interesting. I've only been to Chiang Mai once, but never went out of the city. The farthest out of the city I went was to the zoo!
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