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vasantn Feb 9, 2008 1:01 am

The problem could also have been solved by increasing the minimum interval between searches to, say, a minute.

alex0683de Feb 9, 2008 4:44 am

Add me to the list of people who want to see functionalities of the old the "My Threads" function reinstated!

I can live with the fact that the new function links to the first post in the thread instead of my post, but what annoys me to no end is that I can't tell whether or not there have been any new posts to the thread from the search window. Also the time lag is in getting posts to appear in the search is ridiculous.

And can anyone tell me how the supposed relevance is calculated when I search for my own posts? If I search by username, all posts should be 100% relevant if made by that user - I get 176 pages of posts with a relevance of 55% to 33%? ...?? :confused:

:td::td: to the software as it stands now. :mad:

cheepneezy Feb 9, 2008 5:53 am

I'll also toss in that I miss the thread total post count that was in the 'old' search results. It was helpful in determining whether to click on post itself(ie. large total post count) or the start of the thread(ie. small total post count).

RichMSN Feb 9, 2008 6:26 am


Originally Posted by vasantn (Post 9219832)
The problem could also have been solved by increasing the minimum interval between searches to, say, a minute.

That interval is the biggest PITA I have ever seen. Sometimes you end up making a mistake in a search (which needs refinement) and you try to resubmit and you get the infamous "Resubmit in 8 seconds message." If we need that interval, fine, but it would be nice to be able to put that on a list of things to eliminate once things stabilize.

Or wait the 8 seconds and submit automatically, that would be OK, too.

ed1 Feb 9, 2008 2:38 pm


Originally Posted by alex0683de (Post 9220194)
Add me to the list of people who want to see functionalities of the old the "My Threads" function reinstated!

I can live with the fact that the new function links to the first post in the thread instead of my post, but what annoys me to no end is that I can't tell whether or not there have been any new posts to the thread from the search window. Also the time lag is in getting posts to appear in the search is ridiculous.

If you use the Subscribed Threads in Folder: Subscriptions instead of "My Threads" you will get a list of all your subscribed threads with the ones with newest posts to them on the top. Provided you use the default setting to automatically subscribe to any thread to which you post, you'll get what you want. I've been using this feature for years to see what threads have received new posts since I last refreshed/reloaded the page, since they're on top and in bold type. I keep one tab open with this list and another for each of the forums I regularly visit.

There is no time lag on this list either, which means it refreshes/reloads in real-time, as does a forum index. The time lag is more of a problem for moderators and administrators, using the search by user, than for the general FTer.

EDIT: BTW, if you click on the link inside your post, below the "Posted By:" link to the user, it will take you to that (in this case your) post, rather than the first post in the thread. - Sorry that works in the "My Posts" search not the "My Threads" search.

ed1 Feb 9, 2008 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 9220399)
That interval is the biggest PITA I have ever seen. Sometimes you end up making a mistake in a search (which needs refinement) and you try to resubmit and you get the infamous "Resubmit in 8 seconds message." If we need that interval, fine, but it would be nice to be able to put that on a list of things to eliminate once things stabilize.

Or wait the 8 seconds and submit automatically, that would be OK, too.

It's very easy to make a mistake too, since going back to refine the search knocks out a lot of the selections and info filled in for the last search. When that happens I like to fix it and start a new search without getting the error message. As you said, if the interval is really necessary, why not have it search automatically. It could even display a message that your search will automatically start in xx seconds, click here if not automatically redirected after xx seconds.

ed1 Feb 9, 2008 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by cheepneezy (Post 9220308)
I'll also toss in that I miss the thread total post count that was in the 'old' search results. It was helpful in determining whether to click on post itself(ie. large total post count) or the start of the thread(ie. small total post count).

Unfortunately, using the Subscribed Threads in Folder: Subscriptions doesn't have the post count, but it does have the link to the most recent post, along with poster, the date and time of the last post.

jpdx Feb 9, 2008 9:08 pm

Is there a solution to this problem: When I search within a thread (e.g., the RA experience thread) for a specific keyword (e.g., Seoul), the results screen brings up the same thread, but not the individual posts that include the search word.

cheepneezy Feb 10, 2008 1:05 am

JPDX - Click on Search This Thread, and choose Advanced Search. Enter Seoul as the keyword and then Show Results as "posts".

lin821 Feb 10, 2008 4:03 am

Another Bug or Two: Deleted Posts Still Showing Under Quick Links/My Posts
 
Back in the "good old" days, once a thread or post was deleted by the mods, it wouldn't be viewable. To the general members, at least. I guess they were still somewhere in the system/server, but not for our viewing pleasure no more.

After the new search engine was put in place, to my surprise, I now can see those deleted posts under quick links/my posts. (Yes, over the years, I did have few posts legitimately deleted by our mod team. :D). If I click on the links provided at the beginning of those deleted posts, I will be directed to the thread pages where those posts were originally holding a place but not the posts themselves (since they are deleted. Hope I am making sense.) I would think this is a bug since we are not supposed to have access to deleted posts no matter which (search) features we use.

There's another inconsistency in the post count when using the new search. If I am not mistaken, in the "old" system, once posts were deleted, the post count would be adjusted accordingly. (For example, if 5 out of my 200 posts are deleted, the post count under my username will be 195 instead of 200.) Now the new search is giving me a higher post count when I go to Quick Links/My Posts. The search result appears at the upper right corner:
Showing results 1 to 25 of #### (i.e. post count)
Search took 0.994 seconds


That #### post count is higher than the one currently showing under my profile. I have no way to understand why higher post count other than assumeing those previously deleted posts are now accounted for under the new search (therefore I can see those posts under Quick Links/My Posts). I would think deleted posts not only should be taken out from our "viewing area" but also be excluded from post count in the search result. Another bug, maybe?


Originally Posted by ed1 (Post 9219550)
I just did a search by user for my user name for 1 day for all posts.

Problems: Search by User:
.....
3. It's only 74% sure it's relevant even when sort by Post date is used (it does sort by date, just lists this idiotic "relevance" also)! How can it not be 100% since it was one of all my posts?

I asked the same question in my earlier post as well. At least your "scores" are higher than mine. Mine were all 68% with two exception posts in 70% (1 in OMNI and the other in SPAM, not sure if it matters). I guess everybody is confused by the weight criteria on the scoring thingy. If IB had spelled it out for us, we would have known better what it meant. If the scoring system is only for the internal/programming purpose, please spare the general FT members. We don't need to see it so don't show it to us.

Originally Posted by ed1 (Post 9219550)
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5. Moderation drop-down menu at the bottom of the results. - Should this really be there, or is it there but non-functional except for those who actually have these privileges?

Same thing applies to the moderation drop-down menu. It's not functional. (Yes, I tried to see what would happen. It's not functional to the general FTers.) If it's not for the general FT members to see, don't put it there!

Are the IB hamsters less responsive than our old ones? How soon can we expect to see some results? Please don't tell me you guys are taking a break for Chinese New Year. :p

alex0683de Feb 10, 2008 8:04 am

I know that I can subscribe to any thread I post to, but often enough, I don't want to. The threads in my "Subscriptions" folder are the ones I consider to be important for whatever reason, and which I want to keep monitoring even after a week or two has passed. If I subscribe to every thread I've ever posted to, this tool will get too unwieldy if I want to find something specific that hasn't seen activity in a while. I know I could always unsubscribe from a thread once I no longer want to monitor it, but that takes unnecessary time.

This is precisely why I liked the old function, because I could also keep abreast of threads that I didn't think were important enough to subscribe to, but which were interesting to follow anyway. I greatly preferred that solution to the mess we have now.


Originally Posted by ed1 (Post 9222523)
If you use the Subscribed Threads in Folder: Subscriptions instead of "My Threads" you will get a list of all your subscribed threads with the ones with newest posts to them on the top. Provided you use the default setting to automatically subscribe to any thread to which you post, you'll get what you want. I've been using this feature for years to see what threads have received new posts since I last refreshed/reloaded the page, since they're on top and in bold type. I keep one tab open with this list and another for each of the forums I regularly visit.

There is no time lag on this list either, which means it refreshes/reloads in real-time, as does a forum index. The time lag is more of a problem for moderators and administrators, using the search by user, than for the general FTer.

EDIT: BTW, if you click on the link inside your post, below the "Posted By:" link to the user, it will take you to that (in this case your) post, rather than the first post in the thread. - Sorry that works in the "My Posts" search not the "My Threads" search.


cheepneezy Feb 10, 2008 8:22 am


I'll also toss in that I miss the thread total post count that was in the 'old' search results. It was helpful in determining whether to click on post itself(ie. large total post count) or the start of the thread(ie. small total post count).

Originally Posted by ed1 (Post 9222626)
Unfortunately, using the Subscribed Threads in Folder: Subscriptions doesn't have the post count, but it does have the link to the most recent post, along with poster, the date and time of the last post.


I was referring to general searches though, not the threads I subscribe to. Knowing the size of the overall thread helps in figuring out where to start reading based on the 'old' search result post count.

ed1 Feb 10, 2008 10:58 am


Originally Posted by cheepneezy (Post 9225423)
I was referring to general searches though, not the threads I subscribe to. Knowing the size of the overall thread helps in figuring out where to start reading based on the 'old' search result post count.

I'm not saying that should be considered a fix, it's just an imperfect work-around.

BelfastFlyer Feb 10, 2008 11:34 am


Originally Posted by cheepneezy (Post 9220308)
I'll also toss in that I miss the thread total post count that was in the 'old' search results. It was helpful in determining whether to click on post itself(ie. large total post count) or the start of the thread(ie. small total post count).

me too, I personally think the new search facility is nothing but disasterous...

jpdx Feb 10, 2008 12:19 pm


Originally Posted by cheepneezy (Post 9224616)
JPDX - Click on Search This Thread, and choose Advanced Search. Enter Seoul as the keyword and then Show Results as "posts".

Thank you!


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