Originally Posted by RichardInSF (Post 9056171)

I still think that this forum should be established and fear that it has now reached the stage that controversy over it is more important than the actual issue -- but I am also troubled that months and months roll on without VX either instituting their FF program or explaining why not in a public forum (like their website or FT).

Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 9056227)

My second objection is there's little traffic in the ONSAFFP forum.

Originally Posted by 707Flyer (Post 9057213)

Then you must really have a problem with the Frontier, Midwest, and Finnair forums. Guess those will have to close as well if you want to be consistent.

Originally Posted by RichardInSF (Post 9056171)

I still think that this forum should be established and fear that it has now reached the stage that controversy over it is more important than the actual issue

Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 9057278)

For the nth time, I am amenable to consolidation/folding into continent underperforming forums of airlines. Please feel free to make such a suggestion in another thread. @:-)

Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 9057592)

You've posted this a few times. I'm curious why some Talk Board members feel free to raise issues off their own bat without any member request, while others (such as yourself) seem to be reactive only.

Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 9051364)

Jenbel would have known the following even before the first vote was cast:

1. That Spiff, Gleff, and Bhatnasx voted last "no" in the last balloting and very little (if anything) had developed in the previous month to change their minds. It was a pretty safe bet that they would vote no again (as they did).

2. That with 3 "no" votes being cast, the ballot would pass only if there were 6 "yes" votes. By abstaining, she guaranteed that the motion would fail, no matter how the others voted.

As it turned out, both Cholula and Techgirl voted "yes" -- exactly as they did a month ago (not at all surprising). Kokonutz and Punki sponsored and co-sponsored the motion, so the odds were very good that they would voted in favour (as they did). The only vote which was really questionable was LuckyCoin's.

Had he voted no, Jenbel's vote would not have mattered at all. The motion would have failed. If he voted in favour (as he wound up doing), Jenbel's abstention would defeat the motion.

In short, Jenbel would have been well aware that her abstention would not possibly make the motion pass and would make certain that it would fail no matter what LuckyCoins did.

I would still be interested in hearing from her why she decided to kill a motion which she seconded only a month ago.

Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 9057812)

Err that is my point - some other Talk Board members take it upon themselves to raise issues that members do not raise, while you (and some other Talk Board members) seem to be unwilling to raise an issue off your own volition.

Not that I think there is anything wrong with that - but I'm curious as to why.

Originally Posted by Punki (Post 9057533)

Actually, nsx there was a comfortable margin this time.

Cholula, techgirl and Jenbel had already registered and voted their approval of the forum. Kokonutz, Lucky9876Coins and I had already registered our approval of the forum.

There really was no way to predict that Jenbel would change her vote.

Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 9057847)

For this particular topic, a lot of time would be required to constantly monitor forums to see their level of activity and whether it makes sense to consolidate them. As such, I'd rather someone who had some interest in the forum do so and make the suggestion as I don't visit any of the example forums listed.

It strikes me as more sour grapes than an honest effort to improve the FlyerTalk experience. That doesn't mean I won't start the thread, but if there's a real drive to consolidate airline forum XX into its continent forum, it would be nice to see such a thread start as something other than "well VX didn't get a forum..."

Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 9057887)

Last I checked I wan't complaining about the VX decision. Some may recall my Talk Board election questions about how Talk Board members seek feedback. This is merely related to that. As with many things, each Talk Board member may have their own view or reasons for doing or not doing anything.

Originally Posted by ozstamps (Post 9057828)

Agree it does seem like a very curious stance.

Originally Posted by J-M (Post 9057990)

Oh, I completely understand it's purpose... it's a motion-killer, normally used by people who don't have the guts to come out and vote against something.