He did? Dan for someone calling "enough already" when you are clearly squirming and uncomfortable with the thread, did you not notice Cigarman posted exactly the same things just before you? Oh but of course you did. Your sole response to that was "Here Here" (which I took to actually mean "Hear Hear", i.e. agreeance?)

As cigarman has boldly assured us in writing above that "all of the FT community" has now read this thread" (!!!!) and ordered me to "give it a rest" and take a chill pill why did YOU choose to add 2 words to his reply and thus extend the life of this thread even more? And you have the temerity to mention my ego. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Will your receive an official TalkBoard reprimand for your audacity and public disobediance? Of course we will presumably never know as it will as always be done in secret.

If the TalkBoard is uncomfortable with this Forum allowing others to view or discuss the progress and numerous achievements (or otherwise) of TB, why not have a secret vote and remove the Forum? That seems the best course for you perhaps? Until then it remains the one valid Forum to pose questions re TalkBoard matters ..... correct?

Were cigarman's comments not an official TalkBoard response? If they were why did you defy the message and sign yourself as a TalkBoard member whilst defying it?

I repeat my assertion to Cigarman (as you did not seem to read it) that I have NEVER read Randy Petersen posting in THIS forum: "Let's get back to the topic of talking miles and points." If you can reference link that thread/s right here I'd be greatly appreciative Dan. Many times in other Forums he has posted that as THOSE Forums were NOT designated as a specific places to discuss TalkBoard matters. THIS one is. Big difference.

THIS Forum Dan ... like it or not is called "TalkBoard Issues: 2001/2002", and this thread is simply titled "the next vote, when?" It seems to me that your attempt and that of Cigarman to stifle discussion on this VERY simple question is better suited to the way things North Korea is run than the USA.

Sorry, but I will not be dictated to by you or cigarman or any other FlyerTalker as to what threads I choose to post on, and how often, as long as I abide by the TOS whilst posting.

Finally Dan, seeing you did just admit to us that for Talkboard: "there's not much work out there", perhaps the many calls for the experiment to be now abandoned are indeed well timed by your admission? One (1) Flyertalker disagrees and that is the total score I can tally here.

And if NOT, please cease shooting the messengers, and answer the thread question at last ....

"the next vote, when?"

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 10-28-2002).]

There's only one person who can answer your question, ozstamps. Please e-mail him directly. If you continue to post the same question over and over here, and yet still do not get a response, is it not time to pursue the matter through a more direct channel?

FewMiles..

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Not sure I agree at all FM. Randy did himself post quite positively above on THIS very thread - 10 weeks back that he DOES agree the elections were due. Seeing there have been TB resignations SINCE his post of 2 fine folks, the matter is even more urgent one might imagine.

My reading of the following is that Randy was waiting for the Talkboard to get back to him with input. That being the case I and others are reminding them of that request. He has an army of elected and non-elected folks there to do just that one of whom admits above there is nothing much for them to do now.

But as it is all being done in secret THIS is the only venue for us to ask their input and progress report, and the response to that is "to give it a rest". Clearly no hurry or desire then for those CURRENTLY in TB to be facing another election. Democracy at work. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

These are (well really only a few of them now) ELECTED representatives. The web site indeed calls them "representative management". Well this year of all years, management is accountable. From a ball club, to a Boy Scout troop, or to Flyer Talk one imagines? No-one puts their name forward for such a role unless they are prepared to be accountable to those who elect them. And if they don't like the deal surely they resign, or simply do not step up to the plate in the first instance?

I apologise in advance to any I may offend by politely asking of these elected folks WHAT precisely it is that they may or may not be doing and achieving. For most of 2002 we have heard Diddley-Squat from any of them on that score. Is that a disclosure record they are pleased with?

We have folks there who are not shy and backward or retiring. Quite the opposite in the majority of cases. So the question remains:

1.) If TalkBoard are NOT doing anything this year, please tell us. Fine by me

2.) If they ARE doing something this year please tell us what it is. Fine by me.

3.) And if answer is 'neither of the above', why have a Talk Board at all?????



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Glen,

Once again you twist the written word to fit your meaning.

Dan

Please elaborate Dan. I do not get your point.

"Do you still beat your wife Dan?" It is that kind of post.

oz: most of us don't give a purple-spotted inside-out dead dildo for the Talk Board one way or another. We participate on the travel boards. We go on chat, or not. Most posters stay with their airlines/hotels/etc of choice. A few meet their aerobic exercise regimen requirements by participating in "In the News" or "Omni".

Not responding is NOT support for your contention. It is passivity on or ignorance of the question.

Just leave it be. Everyone, including you, will be happier.

Certainly if the answer is 3, then Randy is best able to answer. It seems the answer is more or less 1 and that, in spite of whatever problems may exist, many people do not think FT is in need of major changes.

It always comes back to the fact, it seems, 1) that the board is Randy's, and that 2) it is one of many things he does. Which in turn means that things may not happen as quickly as one might like, but things do change.

I suggest you look up the word polite somewhere -- there is no politeness in your questioning here, only sarcasm mixed in with a good dose of contempt. [Much like mine then perhaps, with the difference that I'm not pretending this isn't the case.]

[This message has been edited by SMessier (edited 10-29-2002).]

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A clarification is in order. It has been pointed out to me, that Camera Guy and Ozstamps, coming back was not an act of the Talkboard. It was the result of a private conversation between Randy and myself. Really, Randys call. I simply argued it was the "right" thing to do, in regards to their punishment being much harsher than others, in the same situation. I wanted to share the credit with the board, since some accuse of doing nothing. Apparently, at least one person did not want to "share" in the credit for their return. I apologize for an misconsception, I caused. But I still stand by my point, that alot of good thing have, and still are being accomplished. And In the future I won't share the credit. I'll be one big old egomanic and say, "me, me , me! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

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Thanks for the clarification! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

-Mark

Such an interesting post cigarman. Thank you for making it. And pleased you apparently agreed with my posted request that a clarification of your earlier inaccurate comment was in order.

I do agree with you on ONE thing - it ultimately was and always is Randy's call. As is and has always generally been EVERYTHING on FT, as Premex and many others have pointed out here in discussing the alleged "need" for a TalkBoard of any kind.

As to the accuracy of some folks" memories over time well .......

Suffice to say that your friend Camera Guy and I did not return to FT at anything like the same time, (months apart) and your thoughts on that matter were made absolutely crystal clear here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum20/HTML/004851.html

and Kokonutz's thought provoking thread in THIS Forum below that flowed from your comments above. Comments which you at no time retracted/clarified in either thread, so one can only assume were not made in error or were misinterpreted?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000056.html

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 10-30-2002).]

Oz, You and Camera Guy were both allowed to return at the same time. It was a package deal. I'm done engaging in any sort of "discussion"/ debate with you. You just want to fight about everything. You have unlimited time to find out of context posts to prove the world is flat. I have to work. I'm sorry Randy hasn't done elections fast enough for you. I'm sorry you want every thing NOW, for something you get for free. But, the reality is, to quote the Rolling Stones: "You can't always get what you want... but sometimes you get what you need." You are Randy's guest on a free board. How about cutting him some slack, and quit complaining? Regardless of whatever you cut and paste... i'm done on this thread.

Here, here! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

105% USDA certified baloney cigarman. Complete and utter fiction. Had you emailed me privately on this right from your initial (inappropriate IMO) post on this here, I could have pointed this out.

Please Go READ the indexed threads above to refresh your 'memory' when your busy life allows perhaps? Your lack of research and accuracy in this thread plain terrifies me if you are posting as President of Talkboard. I have made no comment at all about Randy - just some of your inaccurate and misleading comments. That is like the head of the TSA backing off by saying George Bush is to blame for the airport security mess.

Lack of things occuring here seem to fall squarely on the back of TalkBoard in many cases - not Randy or FT admin etc. Like all Presidents, the buck often by necessity stops with you it seems.

I do not have any more "unlimited time" than you do. I own and run a busy business. I choose to spend what time I do here ... as do you.

chexfan and blondebomber have also publicly quit TalkBoard in fairly recent times. You appear to be the spokesperson for TB here. I have not read you post (or anyone else) post as to who you appointed to replace them. That matter of replacement it appears from reading the printed rules below is entirely your call. Please do not get hostile and personally abusive when folks are simply asking for answers - in line with your clearly written elected brief.

It seems clear that is one reason WHY Randy appointed TalkBoard - so that routine "housekeeping" matters could be resolved in a timely manner and the FlyerTalk members be kept fully updated by TB? (Bolding below is mine.) The same rules I posted over 3 weeks ago on this thread:

Resignation/Termination

A vacancy in the TB shall be declared if a member: [*] Resigns

A vacancy in the TB shall be filled by appointment by the TalkBoard, for the remaining unexpired term. The TalkBoard will use the election results from the latest election to determine eligible candidates.

ozstamps, I don't understand why you're so eager to have replacement members named to the TalkBoard or have elections called. Seeing as you have recently been questioning how much the TalkBoard has actually accomplished, you seem to agree with several other people who have said that TalkBoard has served its purpose. If that is the case, why the hurry for a new election?

FewMiles..

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