"Time outs"
Mar 9, 2002, 6:14 pm
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Oh Rudi, you lucky guy. I watched on TV my dear Kings fall apart at the end. Must have been a great game to attend.
Oh Rudi, you lucky guy. I watched on TV my dear Kings fall apart at the end. Must have been a great game to attend.
Mar 9, 2002, 6:22 pm
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Well we can certainly politely agree to disagree, if necessary--Hunki and I have been practicing that skill for many, many years. 
Yes we most definitely do agree that there should be sufficient explanation and detail that all members (including the offending member) know exactly why the conduct is over the line. You may well be right that if that can be done consistently, clearly and thoroughly enough, it may be satisfactory in and of itself without actually naming the offending party.
Personally, I would hope that we would always be shooting for the ideal which IMHO is self-moderation, albeit sometimes encouraged by an outside moderator.
As I recall, the conduct of those persons who posted under those offensive duplicate handles also went on to "post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law."
Yes we most definitely do agree that there should be sufficient explanation and detail that all members (including the offending member) know exactly why the conduct is over the line. You may well be right that if that can be done consistently, clearly and thoroughly enough, it may be satisfactory in and of itself without actually naming the offending party.
Personally, I would hope that we would always be shooting for the ideal which IMHO is self-moderation, albeit sometimes encouraged by an outside moderator.
As I recall, the conduct of those persons who posted under those offensive duplicate handles also went on to "post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law."
Mar 9, 2002, 6:35 pm
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I find time out less annoying then temporary suspension..
I agree strongly that it's possible and desireable to give enough info on the offense, as Law Lord has so wisely suggested, without posting the names of the posters in question. I love to spend time in idle speculation as many others do I'm sure, but I have not heard any rumors or wonderings of who was suspended and why. Honestly I don't care to know. Not because I don't care about FT, but because information like this doesn't help me enjoy and participate in the board and doesn't further the sense of friendliness and community I find here. If there are actually posters who don't know why they were suspended, and others who know them as Punki has suggested, then perhaps those individuals should contact Randy privately. I certainly don't need to know who. and I think in most cases I could figure it out. If I couldn't and I was curious I imagine I would approach Randy but I don't know what I would say.
Bottom line is that for me, it's not my busines - for the most egregious offenders I can figure it out and for those who may be suspended unfairly, I leave it to them to pursue it. BUT in the interests of those cases where it IS a judgement call, I would support posting the reasons for the suspensions in some detail .
Which isn;t to say I don't feel left out around the speculation and "gossip" sometimes - but I am trying to focus on the positive things about FT and spend my energy supporting those efforts I can.
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I agree strongly that it's possible and desireable to give enough info on the offense, as Law Lord has so wisely suggested, without posting the names of the posters in question. I love to spend time in idle speculation as many others do I'm sure, but I have not heard any rumors or wonderings of who was suspended and why. Honestly I don't care to know. Not because I don't care about FT, but because information like this doesn't help me enjoy and participate in the board and doesn't further the sense of friendliness and community I find here. If there are actually posters who don't know why they were suspended, and others who know them as Punki has suggested, then perhaps those individuals should contact Randy privately. I certainly don't need to know who. and I think in most cases I could figure it out. If I couldn't and I was curious I imagine I would approach Randy but I don't know what I would say.
Bottom line is that for me, it's not my busines - for the most egregious offenders I can figure it out and for those who may be suspended unfairly, I leave it to them to pursue it. BUT in the interests of those cases where it IS a judgement call, I would support posting the reasons for the suspensions in some detail .
Which isn;t to say I don't feel left out around the speculation and "gossip" sometimes - but I am trying to focus on the positive things about FT and spend my energy supporting those efforts I can.
edited for clarity
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Mar 9, 2002, 8:37 pm
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I believe, squeakr, that the confusion arises when some rather mild posts are severely censored, without even providing the poster an opportunity to edit his/her own post, while other totally abusive and flagrant TOS violations are simply ignored and allowed to stand.
This is certainly not in any way shape or form a criticism of the existing moderators. The most terrible examples I have seen were on Forums where no moderator existed.
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This is certainly not in any way shape or form a criticism of the existing moderators. The most terrible examples I have seen were on Forums where no moderator existed.
[This message has been edited by Punki (edited 03-09-2002).]
Mar 9, 2002, 9:17 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Punki:
I believe, squeakr, that the confusion arises when some rather mild posts are severely censored, without even providing the poster an opportunity to edit his/her own post, while other totally abusive and flagrant TOS violations are simply ignored and allowed to stand.
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I believe, squeakr, that the confusion arises when some rather mild posts are severely censored, without even providing the poster an opportunity to edit his/her own post, while other totally abusive and flagrant TOS violations are simply ignored and allowed to stand.
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Mar 9, 2002, 11:16 pm
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... I think I just figured out who was handed time-outs. Boy am I slow.....
Mar 10, 2002, 7:02 am
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Well, Doc and NJDavid I can understand. But I can't find any specific place where PG crossed whatever line exists. And frankly that's why I asked the question.
BTW, if you see me stop posting for a week or so, I guess the lesson will be that talking about 'the disappeared' is strictly verboten. Sort of like builing a new Common Law
BTW, if you see me stop posting for a week or so, I guess the lesson will be that talking about 'the disappeared' is strictly verboten. Sort of like builing a new Common Law
Mar 10, 2002, 7:10 am
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I might be kicked out of here - but please no public comments on my timeout. It serves no purpose.
Mar 10, 2002, 7:27 am
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Oh my.
This is like a course in Kremlinology .
This is like a course in Kremlinology .
Mar 10, 2002, 10:14 am
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Hey, pgupta011, long time, no see! Nice to have some of the 1998 members back.
Now if only that nice Matt Wald would show up more often.
Now if only that nice Matt Wald would show up more often.
Mar 10, 2002, 10:32 am
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Blair: well put.
Shouldn't somebody warn FT that a hacker has broken in and stolen many respected members' passwords?
Shouldn't somebody warn FT that a hacker has broken in and stolen many respected members' passwords?
Mar 12, 2002, 12:14 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by arturo:
premexecushun,
arturo ownly kno wat he heer frum hes soarses.
an, as phar as chocklat technicals, wel, arturo leaf thos 'tween yu an senor nutz.</font>
premexecushun,
arturo ownly kno wat he heer frum hes soarses.
an, as phar as chocklat technicals, wel, arturo leaf thos 'tween yu an senor nutz.</font>
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Mar 12, 2002, 4:25 pm
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It was a joke folks. Jeez.
Mar 12, 2002, 8:21 pm
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Have I been suspended...? If so, someone please let me know....
Mar 13, 2002, 10:37 am
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Sheep? Koko ..don't you still have 'Nogales'?
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