SkiAdcock

Congrats on creating the motion & having it passed. And thank you for your four years of service on TB.

Cheers.

nsx

koko is second only to you, Sharon, in my personal ranking of outstanding TalkBoard members of all time. koko spearheaded and drafted the comprehensive TB Guidelines which helped TalkBoard turn the corner away from grandstanding and toward working as a team. I hope he rejoins TalkBoard soon. We need that level of energy and commitment.

dchristiva

Somehow we need to convey this to the rest of the FT world. Evidently we're giving the impression that we're not working as a team.

nsx

Look at the evidence. We have considered proposals with reasonable care before calling for a vote on them, and most of the motions have passed easily. We have not had any doomed motions intended only to make a statement. I call that cooperation.

kokonutz

Aw shucks.

And to think that I ran on a bomb-throwing platform.

But look, it's not about me. It's about the posters.

Which is precisely what this motion was all about. ^

tcook052

Cooperation isn't quite the word I would've chosen as this TB seemed far more dysfunctional and openly rancorous than any in the past though that's just MHO and YMMV. Hopefully more civility emerges from the current TB elections.

dchristiva

Hey, you don't have to convince me. But look at many posts from our members. There is the sentiment that TB is not cooperative. tcook052's post above is just one example.

rwoman

Hi all - I did (finally) vote and support what was already going to be implemented. Was delayed by a little 18k mileage run.

tcook052

Sadly that doesn't seem to case as more TB dysfunction on display during the election for all to see here.

bdschobel

Disagreement does not equal dysfunction. You seem to desire some sort of utopia that simply does not exist. As I have said, we are big boys and girls and can disagree without falling to pieces over it.

Bruce

tcook052

What existed until this TB was wasn't a utopia but a place where despite disagreements a collegial, civil tone and respect for fellow members was maintained. That decorum is not just expected it's written right into the TB Guidelines as has been in this post. Apparently it's too much to expect TB Guidelines be followed by TB members.

CMK10

So vote us out. Or you could have taken my suggestion that I've made several times and run yourself.

tcook052

I did several years back when I believed TB was relevant and necessary.

bdschobel

When one person engages in purposely disruptive and attention-seeking behavior, it's a bit much to ask the rest of us to maintain respect for that person. And, in fact, it became quite clear over the course of this year that many of us had lost respect, and the collegial atmosphere was lost. Nevertheless, we continued to plod along, devising changes to our procedures that would prevent one TalkBoard member from interfering with the good volunteer work that the rest of us wanted to do.

You may believe -- and you are entitled to believe -- that comity and collegiality trump everything else. I do not. I ran for TalkBoard to actually accomplish something occasionally. When one person repeatedly stood in the way of that goal, I reacted. And I was far from alone. Everything that I said and did over the past two years was intended to make FlyerTalk a better place, and I did that, despite various obstacles.

Bruce

bdschobel

By the way, the TalkBoard guidelines have been updated.

Bruce