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goalie Dec 12, 2011 6:05 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17614332)
But that's a private conversation. From a moderator's side, they get various independent points of input. But there is no collaboration. And from the poster side we have no idea if any other members share our issues/concerns/suggestions or have different ways of looking at them, thinking about them or addressing them.

It's the difference between a letter to the editor and a comment section in an online story. One gets your point across. The other adds to a conversation. And since this is FlyerTALK, not FlyerSENDEACHOTHERPMS it seems like this collaborative conversation ought to be the norm.

What Mr. Nutz ;) said

essxjay Dec 12, 2011 6:30 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17614332)
But that's a private conversation.

Of course. Still doesn't mean it's not collaborative. Not all members feel comfortable posting publicly, especially when they're not sure how their fellow members will react.

You keep suggesting that we look at things from a regular member's POV. We do, and guess what? Sometimes they suggest great ideas that we've never thought of, cf. forum glossaries, Nude-o-Scope sticky, lounge threads, etc. Sometimes PMs confirm ideas we've already thought of, such as a forum split. That's collaboration in its most fundamental form. I would bargain most forums already function in this manner. It's a bit rich to suggest some forms of collaboration are better than others or some are wrong because they don't meet your standard of discourse. Not every one is as confident in communication as you or I, koko. :D


For the record, I think the essential suggestion in the OP has merit. I also think it's out of TB purview to mandate specific types of threads, in particular those pertaining to questions of moderation.

RichMSN Dec 12, 2011 10:53 pm


Originally Posted by essxjay (Post 17614683)
I also think it's out of TB purview to mandate specific types of threads, in particular those pertaining to questions of moderation.

In the end, that's up to Carol. We can only make the recommendation.

kipper Dec 13, 2011 6:41 am


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17614332)
But that's a private conversation. From a moderator's side, they get various independent points of input. But there is no collaboration. And from the poster side we have no idea if any other members share our issues/concerns/suggestions or have different ways of looking at them, thinking about them or addressing them.

One poster may have a great suggestion for a forum or a solution to mega-threading or some such, but if they don't know that it's a problem or complaint for others, they may not bother to share their idea, thinking that it's a problem unique to them.

Originally Posted by essxjay (Post 17614683)
Of course. Still doesn't mean it's not collaborative. Not all members feel comfortable posting publicly, especially when they're not sure how their fellow members will react.

You keep suggesting that we look at things from a regular member's POV. We do, and guess what? Sometimes they suggest great ideas that we've never thought of, cf. forum glossaries, Nude-o-Scope sticky, lounge threads, etc. Sometimes PMs confirm ideas we've already thought of, such as a forum split. That's collaboration in its most fundamental form. I would bargain most forums already function in this manner. It's a bit rich to suggest some forms of collaboration are better than others or some are wrong because they don't meet your standard of discourse. Not every one is as confident in communication as you or I, koko. :D


For the record, I think the essential suggestion in the OP has merit. I also think it's out of TB purview to mandate specific types of threads, in particular those pertaining to questions of moderation.

If something like what koko has proposed is implemented, and members don't feel comfortable posting in that thread, they still have the option of sending a PM to the moderator. A thread is simply giving them an additional outlet to communicate and share ideas, and allow for greater collaboration. This may lead to greater improvements.

If a member isn't comfortable posting in a thread, and would prefer to PM a moderator, perhaps the moderator can ask the member, "Can I share your idea in the moderation thread? If you'd prefer, I won't share your user name, but will post that a member suggested XYZ."

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 17615954)
In the end, that's up to Carol. We can only make the recommendation.

I don't see a problem with at least making the recommendation. :D

RichMSN Dec 13, 2011 6:48 am


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 17617187)
I don't see a problem with at least making the recommendation. :D

In case you aren't sure, I agree completely. The phrase "not in my purview" simply won't come from my mouth or keyboard (unless I'm quoting it) the next two years. Carol is always free to discard any comment or suggestion I make, but it's not going to change how I go about things.

kokonutz Dec 13, 2011 7:07 am

Kudos to TalkBoard member nsx for deciding to run a beta test of this idea in the forum he moderates, Southwest Rapid Rewards!

So far, very early on, looks like it is improving the FlyerTalk experience for that forum's posters.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/south...ion-forum.html

kokonutz Dec 13, 2011 7:12 am


Originally Posted by essxjay (Post 17614683)
For the record, I think the essential suggestion in the OP has merit.

Thanks! :)


I also think it's out of TB purview to mandate specific types of threads, in particular those pertaining to questions of moderation.
I reject such bureaucratic silo management not-built-here thinking. An idea to improve the FT experience is an idea to improve the FT experience. ^

And in any case, this suggestion is simply an amendment to the TOS....something well within even the most narrow interpretation of 'the purview of the TB.'

essxjay Dec 13, 2011 7:52 am


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 17617187)
If something like what koko has proposed is implemented, and members don't feel comfortable posting in that thread, they still have the option of sending a PM to the moderator.

Which, of course, is exactly what I proposed upthread. Glad to see we've finally reached an agreement!

essxjay Dec 13, 2011 7:53 am


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17617340)
And in any case, this suggestion is simply an amendment to the TOS....something well within even the most narrow interpretation of 'the purview of the TB.'

OTBMMFD. :D

kipper Dec 13, 2011 8:06 am


Originally Posted by essxjay (Post 17617562)
Which, of course, is exactly what I proposed upthread. Glad to see we've finally reached an agreement!

So, you're saying that you agree that members should at least have the option of posting on a thread about forum moderation? Great!

essxjay Dec 13, 2011 8:16 am


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 17617679)
So, you're saying that you agree that members should at least have the option of posting on a thread about forum moderation?

That would be taking liberties with my words and meaning.

PVDtoDEL Dec 13, 2011 8:18 am


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17617305)
Kudos to TalkBoard member nsx for deciding to run a beta test of this idea in the forum he moderates, Southwest Rapid Rewards!

So far, very early on, looks like it is improving the FlyerTalk experience for that forum's posters.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/south...ion-forum.html

It does look good. Just having that thread there, for people to comment on, looks like a really good idea.

kipper Dec 13, 2011 8:35 am


Originally Posted by essxjay (Post 17617735)
That would be taking liberties with my words and meaning.

Only doing what has been done with mine.

eightblack Dec 14, 2011 7:41 am


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17617305)
Kudos to TalkBoard member nsx for deciding to run a beta test of this idea in the forum he moderates, Southwest Rapid Rewards!

So far, very early on, looks like it is improving the FlyerTalk experience for that forum's posters.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/south...ion-forum.html

Just to prove that I too think that feedback of any kind is warranted, I have blatantly copied nsx's idea and posted in the EK forum...

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/emira...ion-forum.html

kokonutz Dec 14, 2011 7:48 am


Originally Posted by eightblack (Post 17624452)
Just to prove that I too think that feedback of any kind is warranted, I have blatantly copied nsx's idea and posted in the EK forum...

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/emira...ion-forum.html

Well done! With faith in the posters, I have no doubt but that it will be appreciated, helpful and improve the FT experience!


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