Multiple threads in multiple forums
 

Ozstamps currently has several terrific threads running in The Buzz and General TravelTalk (and perhaps elsewhere) regarding the Hilton HHonors - Mexicana Frecuenta promo. Each of these threads contains 100s of posts and several pages. It is getting a bit unwieldy trying to keep up. Any thought to "consolidating" this valuable info in one thread, perhaps by closing all but one thread and posting a link to the "open" thread?

Suggestion/objection renewed.

Same church, different pew.

Maybe this is simply a call for moderators (?). http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/confused.gif

Well let's do the math here. You bring this forward 3 times over 4+ months. Not one single Flyer Talker agrees with you during that time. Even on the Tarom Romanian Airlines board you'd get SOME response after 4 months by doing the same thing. This must surely be a FT record ZIPPO response thread. Congratulations. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Why not give it a rest????????????

The ONE Hilton thread you just complained about this week is about getting a free Hilton Gold VIP card via a simple phone call, in case you did not notice. (And a very easy 50,000 bonus points as well.) Hundreds of other FT'ers DID notice and greatly appreciated the tip. Dozens of them posted on the thread how pleased they were I'd started the thread on THAT Forum, as they otherwise would NEVER HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS GREAT DEAL. Dozens more emailed me thanks as well. It has nothing to do with any other thread I have ever started in any Forum this month. Does any of this cause you some kind of problem? Is it any of your business anyway???

Did I not see you post a 'thank you' to one of those Hilton threads I started, (that you now complain about) - that you, your wife, (and as I recall your children??!!) all got 1,000s of Hilton bonus points from?? Thanks for the belated 'gratitude'!

You want MODERATORS called in as I post something this month on The Buzz that positively benefits 100s of FlyerTalkers? You may perhaps need a doctor - not a moderator?

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 02-23-2001).]

Here you go record boy.

I agree with Cactuspete.

The only one who needs a doctor is you.

Have you asked your therapist for a refund yet?

BTW,

Don't bother editing your remarks. I have already saved the HTML pages.

what's wrong with the proposal that cactuspete starts with an admiring 'several terrific threads running' - that cactuspete now has to 'endure' such an attack?

Not responding myself to proposals should never be interpreted as support or decline (in this 'case' I did see some 'value' in cactuspete's proposal, but I didn't find it really important).

Good morning (or evening, for you perhaps), Ozstamps. I am sorry that you feel the need to make a personal attack on me in response to my posts in this thread. I certainly didn't mean any offense by my posts, and indeed I don't believe that any reasonable reading would lead one to believe that I was personally attacking you. If I did, then I apologize. If anything, I complemented you at least twice. I was simply making a suggestion in the interests of efficiency and economy for the entire FT board.

I truly do appreciate your positive contributions to this board. You clearly have the knowledge, experience and desire to make many fine contributions that have and will continue to benefit all FTers. Heck, I even enjoy reading some of the twisted logic that you use in your frequent flame wars.

But since you now have my attention, let me take a moment to respond to your unwarranted and unsolicited accusations/flame. Oz, perhaps you are the one that needs to "give it a rest." You seem to be one of the only posters on these boards to be obsessed with "the math" and "FT records". And since when does a lack of a reply equate to disapproval? I suppose that if I posted a response to every thread that I agreed with I too may be able to run my post count up to 5700+.

With respect to the Hilton fast track to gold promo, where in this thread do you find me complaining about your posting it in The Buzz? Of course its a great promo. And I do believe that you were correct in posting it in the Buzz. The fact of the matter is that many of us were well aware of the promo in early December. The issue (mine and many others) is the manner in which you posted it. I won't waste my time dredging up a link to that thread, where many prominent FTers stated the case much more eloquently than I. The point is, you could have just said "Hey, check out this thread running in the Hilton forum," and then all of the comments and information would have been centralized. Of course, that would not have fed your ego.

With respect to the Mexicana/Hilton promo, I acknowledge that somewhere on this board I probably expressed my appreciation for your discovery. And yes, both my wife and I took advantage of that deal. However, my children did not - - because both Hilton and Mexicana have minimum age requirements for their programs. Which is where the problem comes in. On one of those threads (again, some day when I have time I might try to find the link), one of your aliases (either JaneJet or MolsonMiler) "reported" having signed his/her/its kids up for the program). You then went on to espouse the possibility of signing up the whole family, and other, naive FTers followed suit. More ego food.

I feel quite confident that your flames in this thread are in retribution for my prior comments regarding the Janejet/Molson fiasco. You were not man enough to respond then. Instead you let everything die down and fade from memory, regaling us ad nauseam with your tales of dinner with Randy, umpteen bottles of Dom on the flight to DUS, your Tarom flight, etc., etc., etc., then launch an attack from left field.

Ironic that you have diagnosed me as needing a doctor. Most here would agree that you are one of the FTers repeatedly exhibiting psychotic behavior. What kind of person measures self-worth by the adulations received from unsuspecting, naive, anonymous posters on an internet bulletin board? And to boot, most everyone reports that in person you are quite a decent fellow! Your actions here are not only pathetic and inappropriate, they are a cry for help.

Go ahead and flame away Oz. You started it, and you have shown a propensity for always wanting the last word, so I am certain that we will all see more of your gibberish and flames. You always seem to find a way to be in the middle of every flame war here.

I don't want your advice, so you likely don't want mine, but consider this: Please feel free to continue making positive contributions to FyerTalk, but kindly check your ego at the door.

cactuspete...thank you for your fine suggestions and opinons in all of your posts in this thread.

I don't know what OZ said since it appears to be edited. I assume from the posts that follow he made his usual, you must be sick in the head and need a doctor comment. CameraGuy I think it might be helpul if you reposted the unedited version.
And to be fair to OZstamps, we want him to use one link to a main thread. Would we be willing to just let him link to a generic, "everyone loves me... I have the email to prove it. I take all credit... Your sick in the head... etc." Response thread?
Now putting the sarcasim aside and being serious for a moment. I don't like the OZ/hilton thread in the buzz... And I very much agree with Catuspete. Also i'm,NOT excusing Ozstamps response. However,I do think we should note that Oz left it alone until the third posting. We ask him to behave, but aren't we a bit responsible for baiting him in a way? The old Oz would have responded to the first mention. We are making improvement... We got to three this time. I offer this compromise to both sides. Oz, admit to your aliases as I and others admitted theirs. That will remove it from being thrown in your face, time and time again. But, you must ask to be forgiven before people will do so. Second, I realize your posting in the buzz is from ethusiasim. But could you consider the link to the forum idea? It would go a long way, if you would say, "hey that's a good idea, too bad I didn't think the link before." If you would consider those two things, I'd be happy to tell people to lay off discussing you, and discuss travel instead. Until that time I have to agree with Cameraguy and Premex.

cigarman,

It's still in his post.

I do have to disagree with you on more than one point.

1. Oz has not earned the benefit of any doubts. In order to be given the "benefit of the doubt", one must first have earned respect. Not only has Oz not earned any respect, I would say that his respect quotient is in negative numbers. Hey, maybe that is some sort of record too!

2. MANY of us know that the Buzz thread was a small minded attempt at collecting credit and adulation. The only enthusiasm exhibited was his enthusiasm for self promotion.

3. Even if Oz came clean on his aliases, it would be too little, too late. He spent months whining and blubbering about the practice, all the while engaging in the same practice himself. He then dropped a flame/bombshell a week before he went on an extended vacation. He came back from the vacation and self proclaims that all of that is behind us. NOT! This cuts right to the core of the negative respect point.

I leave you with three rhetorical questions:

Remember the week between Christmas and New Years? Remember how peaceful and pleasant FT was? Remember who was not around?

Yes, very quiet those weeks. BUT if we can't ever forgive under ANY circumstances... Are we not him? Or that famous quote, "we have seen the enemy and they are us." You know I'm not a charter member of the Ozstamps fan club, However, I have some (possibly misguided) hope that people can change... There clearly was some improvement in behavior. It just seems to be wearing off. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

OK, you got me thinking.

How about these circumstances?

1. Admit ALL of his aliases.

2. Apologize to the following members and ask for their forgiveness:
Premex
Catman
Quietlion
Hunnybear
cactuspete
wharvey
fallinasleep
essxjay
Me
And any other members he has personally attacked or accused of having aliases.

3. Stop referring to the number of posts he has as if the high number is some badge of honor.

4. Stop referring to the number of posts to his or any other threads.

5. Stop challenging other members to “search their last 100 posts and prove what helpful advise they gave”

6. Stop posting others peoples ideas as if they were his own.

7. Stop responding to criticism with personal attacks.

8. After accomplishing all of the above, act like a human being for 2 solid weeks.

If ALL of the above were accomplished, I would consider forgiveness.

Hmm, after 4 months the crickets are sure out in force today. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

That email network definitely exists folks. South Park and Monty Python has got nothing on most of these guys.

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 02-23-2001).]

I knew he would never get past number 8.

Okay, I tried to be a peacemaker and bury the hatchet...
I think it's time to dig it up and scalp someone!

[This message has been edited by cigarman (edited 02-23-2001).]

9.02pm

9.04pm

It is not email, it is telepathy. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Leaving the personal sniping aside, if we may....

It is indeed unfortunate that this board doesn't seem to support any way of posting something to multiple areas. The idea of cross-posting, something that has existed in newsgroups for a very long time, is a basic, fundamental feature for such a system as this.

In my opinion, there are times when an offer from a particular scheme, or an offer that involves two or more specific schemes, should be posted to all the related areas. It should not be posted as several different discussions, but be one single thread.

The lack of this basic functionality is most unfortunate.

Actually, it was just pure luck. I often tease Camera Guy that we must be twins seperated at birth. But, I don't suppose the truth will count with you Oz? eh? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

The king of long winded spam mass e-mailings is now complaining about FT'ers communicating in private.

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hypocrite (n.) hyp·o·crite 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. 2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

HHHmmm....

Am I part of that silent EMAIL clique?

If so, could someone send me an email? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Also... (yes being paranoid) has anyone noted the number of "new" members who have joined Flyertalk and their first post or two is to praise OZStamps for his advice.... think we may have more aliases of someone from DOWN UNDER?... HHHHmmmmmmmmmmmm

William

Name some names wharvey .. you are just pathetic. Put up or shut up. You are the resident FT king of whining to Randy ... email him all your suspicions and suggest they do IP logging. And DO post it all here wharvey, or it will be taken as clear proof you are talking baloney.

I notice no new member comments postively on your comments. Or most older members either. Ever think about THAT? Probably why no emails you either come to that.

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Oz,

YOU ARE THE PATHETIC ONE!!!!!!!

Once again, you take silence as a lack of support. Once again, YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!

I agree with wharvey. I am quite certain that a number of the "Oh Oz, you are great" posts are from new aliases. You are such a sad pathetic individual, that one cannot think otherwise.

As for wharvey not naming names and whining to Randy. More proof that you are SAD AND PATHETIC. I am VERY sure that you lead the league in FALSE accusations. I am also VERY sure that you lead the league in WHINY e-mails to Randy.

You have accused at least three members of being Notsonewhere. You were WRONG on all of your accusations. You are not brave enough to admit that you were wrong and that you have no idea who NSNH is. Pot calling the kettle black?

I point to my thread in Community of last month. That thread stayed alive until other members came out in agreement with me. As soon as that happened, you shot off an e-mail to Randy. Within a day, that thread was locked down. Pot calling the kettle black?

GROW UP YOU PATHETIC WINDBAG. SILENCE IS NOT LACK OF AGREEMENT. NUMBER OF POSTS DOES NOT EQUAL RESPECT. NUMBER OF REPLIES DOES NOT EQUATE TO A QUALITY THREAD.

I have figured out what kind of doctor you are. You are a therapist. You are also your only patient. You don't need to ask your therapist for a refund, you need to terminate your therapist!


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hypocrite (n.) hyp·o·crite 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. 2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

Ozstamps, posted "Name some names wharvey .. you are just pathetic. Put up or shut up. "

OK lets pretend we do it your way and post some names. Will you then directly admit or deny it? I have a couple of names you can start with:
JaneJet
Moslsen Miler

I'm sure others would be happy to add some other names... However, WHAT'S THE POINT? YOUR NOT MAN ENOUGH to admit or deny them. I believe the incriminating silence is Yours...

We tried this a couple of times before and were met with silence: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/000754.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/000785.html
And personal attacks, see e.g.: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum50/HTML/003948.html



[This message has been edited by cactuspete (edited 02-27-2001).]

OK Camera Guy, mark that down as TWO hypocrites on this thread. And neither are called Ozstamps. You know by now the dictionary definition - you have posted it a few dozen times. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Put up ... or shut up. And wharvey too.

Go for it. Post the names and users RIGHT here if you are "quite certain". Perhaps you are simply annoyed there are some who DO appreciate good advice and thank those you proffer it on FT. And perhaps you are still annoyed your "DOC" poll on CO went so badly against you?

There are absolutely no fake users re my posts this year Camera Guy (and wharvey) and that frustrates you like mad. What was done last year is done. IP logging has seen to that. Cigarman was caught and fake user ID cancelled for harrassing other posters with fake Alias. (And only THEN he fessed up). I did the same. Wonderland (who had a curious multi posting marathon early one morning in the CO Forum) was caught by IP logging and made repent. Go back, READ some old threads. It is history only you seem obsessed with revisiting each day. Many learned valuable lessons in 2000. Flyer Talk has moved on and has been the better place due to it. You seem incapable of doing that.

Your thread that Randy chose to close down recently was due to a NUMBER of FT'ers asking for that to be done. Go check. It had been ignored pretty much for a week, with those regulars on the boards showing what they thought or you, and it, by posting anything BUT a response. But mostly ignoring it, and you. Until the first REAL instance of a well known board member posting under a fake name in 2001 occured - via your other VERY interesting obsession, notsonewhere, posted upon it, and Randy clearly decided enough was enough.

If you were really concerned about fake users in 2001 you'd have been yelping about that. Then AND now. But No. Not a peep out of you how wrong that was. Why?? Hmmm. wharvey just went and dredged up an old thread congratulating himself "on all the emails he got for getting to 250 posts". What a ROTFL. If anyone was going to get all excited about that historic occassion, it would have been done on the thread. Talk about pots and kettles and black.

I repeat put up, or shut please. It is arrant nonsense.

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 02-27-2001).]

This is poisonous and it is nasty; please stop.

OZ,

I have no need to offer you any proof... and I have many emails from people in support of my position... HOWEVER, I will not post them as I would never betray their confidence.

In regards to my "self congratulations", I felt that was appropriate to thank the community and really do not care if you trust me or not. I have done NOTHING on here to indicate a lack of trust - unlike you! HOW MANY TIMES have you congratulated yourself on your posts... remembering the Hilton one recently? Don't even go there.

OZSTAMPS... I resent being called pathetic. I have never once hid behind my comments and created aliases to support my positions since no one else on the board would do so. I have only chosen to put the mirror in your face so you see how hypocritical you are (I will not post the definition of that here... think someone else has done that elsewhere).

Seems like you quickly go to insults when you are losing your argument.

I will tell you this... do NOT assume that no comments publicly on threads mean no support of my comments or anyone else's comments on this board.

Whining? Well, I have NEVER sent Randy any private emails on issues on this board. I have only posted concerns on his Board. At least everyone knows when I ask for Randy's intervention.

I will now publicly state that you are the reason I will not be at Catman's CMD III in March even though I will be in NYC... and I am not the only one who is not attending due to you. AND NO, I will not post who I know feels that way. Feel free to post such a request... and see if anyone responds.

I am sure you have many friends on here... and that is fine. I know I will never be one of them. You have done nothing but reinforce my (and others) distrust of you.

This board was so refreshing and enjoyable during the time you were not posting... I only wish it was that way again.

Go ahead and flame... as I am sure you have a response already prepared... and just waiting for the opportunity to post it.

William
wharvey (my one and only name on this board)

Oz, what kind of doctor are you?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum94/HTML/003933.html

"This is poisonous and it is nasty; please stop."

I would submit that there are no real "winners" and that we are ALL"losers" who would participate in such a thread! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif

Perhaps we can ALL collectively show some restraint and avoid another intervention by our host! It's up to us! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by doc (edited 02-27-2001).]

Oops, slow connection, dupe of my post below.

[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 02-27-2001).]

I love these threads....keep 'em going!!!!!!!!!


Dorian

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wharvey. You post inflammatory things like this above, name me, are told it is complete and utter arrant nonsense, are asked to put up or shut up, so what do you do instead - you start a whole new thread on Community, pointing to this thread to hopefully involve others so you can duck for cover in the possible fracas. It is pathetic, no other word. Your NY attendance choice is NOT news as you imply, you posted it weeks ago, to pretty much complete disinterest it seemed.

Yes, you start threads seeking Randy's intervention on things, yes you email plans by your own admission seeking "clarification" of things other FT'ers are doing. (At what risk to those FT'ers?) And then you publicly ask and ponder WHY the loophole info is not shared with you off board. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif Your call entirely.

This is not a flame wharvey. It is a reality check. Please go assist some FT'ers earn points perhaps? FT would certainly be the better for it. So might you. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

These are not "self-congratulations" below wharvey. They are from the 100s of FT'ers who benefited in the past weeks from something they read on FT, giving them a free Gold HH VIP card, and a pretty easy 50,000 HH bonus points. Please email them ALL and see if they are for real. Be my guest. And then perhaps consider apologising to them. Many want to see FT to be a far more peaceful place in 2001, myself included. The thread you just posted was I submit done deliberately with the intention to ensure that does not happen. And that is sad. The postings from this point on will determine if that is the will of others or not.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../004134-3.html




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Ozstamps said, "Cigarman was caught and fake user ID cancelled for harrassing other posters with fake Alias. (And only THEN he fessed up). I did the same"

A couple of important points.
1) I had a total of 6 posts under NewZelandCoins. You had MANY fake posts.
2) I originally choose the handle because it was obviously fake. Yours had lives, spouses, careers, etc. Intended to decieve.
3) I never agreed with myself using a fake handle. You did.
4) I did not attack people. I simply joked that I needed more posts. A funny jab at you. You constantly attacked people.
5) I used the obvious fake name, because I have my real email posted. You sent volumes of unsolicted e-mail. I never requested the "I took Randy to the transvestite bar e-mail". And all the E-Mails marked URGENT. How egotistical. I admit it took a month to decide to face you head on.
6) I admitted the fake name. NO one prompted me to. Randy cancilled the account but did not expose me. I chose to in order to foster a better environment here on FlyerTalk. To my understanding... You have NEVER admitted to particular alaises. Only that you had some last year. This is classic parsing. Unlike you, I had the GUTS TO ADMIT I WAS WRONG. And now you throw it back at me...
I guess you'll drive everyone away until you are the king of nothing.

cigarman,

He is not going to drive everyone away. There are too many members here who have decided that he will not win.

Besides, even if all of the "Real" members left, he would still have all of his alias friends.

Oz,

As soon as you name names, I will too. You whined and blubbered for months about False Handles. You accused many here of participating in this practice. You insinuated that you had prrof of the practice. YOU LIED! You never had proof.

Unlike wharvey and the others, I am going to the CMD3. I am disapointed in their decision, but can respect it. I can understand how people have no desire to be in your presence. I am not worried about that. YOU ARE A COWARD. I KNOW YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE GUTS TO ACT THIS WAY IN FRONT OF US.

Do us all a favor and put a sock in it. For some unexplained reason, some members here think you contribute. I disagree. I have seen no evidence of that AT ALL. Go ahead, point to the Hilton Thread. That was another members find. You started the Buzz thread to steal credit. Pure and simple. Sad and Pathetic.

Doctor, Stamp Collector, Record Producer, Lawyer, Internet Bully.

Any other professions?

I missed the record producer thread....can someone list it?

Dorian

Dorian,

It was back in July/Aug I think. But, with over 5000 useless posts, searching for that one will be like finding a needle in a haystack.

Besides, He probably went back and edited it anyway. He is famous for that trick.

Be careful Camera Guy... he will claim to be an editor next! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

So the pope turns to the vicar and says "No!!! It was a Ham AND Cheese sandwich!!!

[This message has been edited by geo1004 (edited 02-28-2001).]

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/000959.html

Actually, yes.

Let's play a round of Hangman.

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(ten letters)

Ozphilatelist claimed late last summer that he was a trained "this." Hint: The training was in the same field I work in. Do your own research ... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif