Smoking vs Non-smoking rooms - what %?
Apr 16, 2009, 8:44 am
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Smoking vs Non-smoking rooms - what %?
Westin must have done some pretty extensive marketing analysis before converting to all non-smoking rooms. What % of their rooms were smoking before the conversion? I wonder if Lurker (or anyone else) has seen any data on how successful the program has been. It certainly is good not to have to worry about this issue for us non-smokers and I'm sure it saves the hotel money by not having to deal with different room types. But I am wondering if they have a way of measuring how much business they have lost from smokers.
My purpose in asking, in addition to general curiousity, is in trying to assess the likelihood of other chains going the same route.
My purpose in asking, in addition to general curiousity, is in trying to assess the likelihood of other chains going the same route.
Apr 16, 2009, 8:53 am
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Some effects are shown here, although the piece is a bit dated.
http://hotels.about.com/od/uniqueand...lsbansmoke.htm
Now if we could get SPG to guarantee non-smoking rooms on award reservations...
http://hotels.about.com/od/uniqueand...lsbansmoke.htm
Now if we could get SPG to guarantee non-smoking rooms on award reservations...
Apr 16, 2009, 10:23 am
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Apr 16, 2009, 4:00 pm
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Smoking preference is already guaranteed on Preferred (free) Night Awards, where it can be absolutely determined that smoking vs. non-smoking rooms are available. It is the bedding preference that isn't.
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When booking award nights over the phone I have repeatedly been told that regardless of the room listed as available, smoking preference can only be requested but is not guaranteed. I'm not talking about changing the room type, just getting the type shown as available.
Apr 16, 2009, 8:53 pm
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Greetings.
Perhaps what William meant is that it is a definite that there will be smoking and non-smoking rooms available for redemption until the inventory for either type runs out.
But the following still applies:
"When using a Free Night Award, bedding and smoking preferences may be requested but are not guaranteed." Visit spg.com for more.
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Apr 16, 2009, 8:58 pm
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Apr 16, 2009, 9:20 pm
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Hi Thyetus!
Here is how I always thought it worked (because of the T&Cs).
I go online to book an award night and a page comes up with something like:
1 King bed non-smoking
1 King bed smoking
I select smoking (I'm ducking as I type this because I'm sure someone will throw something). My confirmation email says smoking room.
When I get to the hotel I'm told there are no smoking rooms available so I have a non-smoking room. As far as I have understood, because it is an award night, I just have to accept the non-smoking room. Yes/No?
That William has confused me. I must admit I have always relied on Plat status at least getting me preferred room type but it would be nice to know for sure.
Here is how I always thought it worked (because of the T&Cs).
I go online to book an award night and a page comes up with something like:
1 King bed non-smoking
1 King bed smoking
I select smoking (I'm ducking as I type this because I'm sure someone will throw something). My confirmation email says smoking room.
When I get to the hotel I'm told there are no smoking rooms available so I have a non-smoking room. As far as I have understood, because it is an award night, I just have to accept the non-smoking room. Yes/No?
That William has confused me. I must admit I have always relied on Plat status at least getting me preferred room type but it would be nice to know for sure.
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Apr 16, 2009, 9:37 pm
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No. What William said is that smoking preferences can be guaranteed for award nights. I understand that the T&C indicate otherwise, so it seems that there is some inconsistency with regard to member communications/staff knowledge.
Apr 16, 2009, 9:39 pm
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It ranks right up there, I agree. It doesn't make them useless, but I have to ask--if they can guarantee these things on paid nights, and a paid standard room can always be booked as an award standard room, I don't see the need for this difficulty. It seems like an artifact of an old booking system/old award night policy.
Apr 16, 2009, 10:05 pm
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Apr 16, 2009, 10:09 pm
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Apr 16, 2009, 10:12 pm
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Yeah, I agree that it's bad, though I've actually always gotten one bed when I want it and two when I want that.
Of course, at some European properties, the difference between a King room and a Twin room is whether they pull the single beds apart or push them together in prep for your arrival.
Of course, at some European properties, the difference between a King room and a Twin room is whether they pull the single beds apart or push them together in prep for your arrival.
Apr 17, 2009, 11:43 am
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For the record, I often book both award and revenue rooms when all that is showing is 'smoking' and put in the comments 'NON-SMOKING ROOM REQUIRED PLEASE'. Only once have I received a smoking room and once they replaced all the bedding and pillows it was ok for the one night.
Apr 17, 2009, 11:54 am
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Is non-smoking guaranteed when I select that free night room type online or by phone, or is it not?