Online Petition to Marriott - Recognize SPG LTP with MR LTPP
Apr 27, 2018, 11:14 am
#151
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: KANSAS CITY
Programs: DL DM, MARRIOTT AMBASSADOR LIFETIME TITANIUM
Posts: 453
Are you sure about that? I too was an SCI member, although I can't remember that far back if I had a different number or not. I now have a 9 digit SPG number. But we DID receive our Sheraton and Westin nights pre-Starwood on our lifetime totals. I was also a Westin member. Back when Lifetime began, there was a thread about it here that noted that all our nights previous to Starwood were counted. I even recall getting something from Starwood showing those pre-Starwood nights I had.
I agree that you should be placed in the highest tier. But we don't need to jump off any bridges just yet! I'm comped to Hilton's top tier Diamond, which is nice when I need a Hilton. But I certainly prefer SPG hotels and Platinum treatment as it exists today in most cities. Or IC's, which are even better at their high tier.
I agree that you should be placed in the highest tier. But we don't need to jump off any bridges just yet! I'm comped to Hilton's top tier Diamond, which is nice when I need a Hilton. But I certainly prefer SPG hotels and Platinum treatment as it exists today in most cities. Or IC's, which are even better at their high tier.
Thanks
Apr 27, 2018, 11:39 am
#152
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 19
This is what SPG responded with
"Thank you for your reply.
I have looked into this further and I understand where the confusion lies. Obtaining Platinum with the Marriott's loyalty program has higher requirements to obtain Platinum than our Starwood Preferred Guest Platinum. Marriott Platinum members are being grandfathered into this Premier Platinum Elite status. That being said when your accounts are combined if you have met the requirements that match that of what Marriott Platinum members had to meet to obtain the Premier Platinum Elite status you will also be grandfathered into this status as well. No one will be able to achieve this after the loyalty programs have been merged. I do apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
Mr. sfallsflyer, I hope you have a wonderful day.
Best Regards,
xx
Associate, Platinum Starwood Preferred Guest
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide, LLC"
"Thank you for your reply.
I have looked into this further and I understand where the confusion lies. Obtaining Platinum with the Marriott's loyalty program has higher requirements to obtain Platinum than our Starwood Preferred Guest Platinum. Marriott Platinum members are being grandfathered into this Premier Platinum Elite status. That being said when your accounts are combined if you have met the requirements that match that of what Marriott Platinum members had to meet to obtain the Premier Platinum Elite status you will also be grandfathered into this status as well. No one will be able to achieve this after the loyalty programs have been merged. I do apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
Mr. sfallsflyer, I hope you have a wonderful day.
Best Regards,
xx
Associate, Platinum Starwood Preferred Guest
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide, LLC"
This is the worst part of the whole experience - lots of misinformation floating around and we aren't sure what to trust or not. I hope the MR team clarifies the situation as soon as possible.
Apr 27, 2018, 3:29 pm
#153
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: MR-Amb, Hyatt-Globalist, AA-EXP
Posts: 1,744
The answer implies that SPG members with >750 nights and >667k points will be LTPP come August, which would seem like a fair outcome.
This is the worst part of the whole experience - lots of misinformation floating around and we aren't sure what to trust or not. I hope the MR team clarifies the situation as soon as possible.
This is the worst part of the whole experience - lots of misinformation floating around and we aren't sure what to trust or not. I hope the MR team clarifies the situation as soon as possible.
Apr 27, 2018, 3:40 pm
#154
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: USA
Programs: SPG Platinum (100)
Posts: 517
I don't think it's a fair outcome given that it ignores some of the factors of SPG's lifetime status that are harder to achieve and the differences in calculating nights between the program. But it's certainly better than nothing, even if I would miss out under that threshold.
Apr 27, 2018, 3:46 pm
#155
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,413
The major difference is that MR Plat is at the 75 nights per year level and was always the top published level, while SPG Plat required only 50 nights or 25 stays per year. SPG LTP gives PlatMinus, which has three higher published levels above it (Plat50, Plat75, and Ambassador).
Apr 27, 2018, 3:49 pm
#156
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,171
they are all Platinum, there are just add'l benefits added at the 50/75/100 night levels, they are NOT "higher published levels". Literally no one else on this forum calls it that.
Apr 27, 2018, 6:48 pm
#157
Join Date: May 2003
Location: LCY
Programs: SQ Krisflyer, QR Privilege Club, MB LT Plt (1K+ nights thx MB)
Posts: 1,038
The answer implies that SPG members with >750 nights and >667k points will be LTPP come August, which would seem like a fair outcome.
This is the worst part of the whole experience - lots of misinformation floating around and we aren't sure what to trust or not. I hope the MR team clarifies the situation as soon as possible.
This is the worst part of the whole experience - lots of misinformation floating around and we aren't sure what to trust or not. I hope the MR team clarifies the situation as soon as possible.
Apr 27, 2018, 7:49 pm
#158
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Florida
Programs: AA LTG (EXP), Hilton Silver (Dia), Marriott LTP (PP), SPG LTG (P) > MPG LTPP
Posts: 11,329
The major difference is that MR Plat is at the 75 nights per year level and was always the top published level, while SPG Plat required only 50 nights or 25 stays per year. SPG LTP gives PlatMinus, which has three higher published levels above it (Plat50, Plat75, and Ambassador).
Apr 27, 2018, 8:17 pm
#159
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: MR-Amb, Hyatt-Globalist, AA-EXP
Posts: 1,744
I agree, sorry I meant harder aspect not necessarily harder overall. Why make SPG LT PLTs subject to Marriott's night requirement but not make MR LTPs subject to SPGs 10 year requirement? SPG doesn't have near the footprint Marriott does so imposing the night requirements of a program with a property literally everywhere shouldn't be automatic.
Apr 27, 2018, 10:11 pm
#160
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: SFO, TPE, HNL
Programs: UA GS 4MM, RCC life member (paid), Marriott Lifetime Titanium, Hyatt Globalist, CLEAR
Posts: 1,823
Are you sure about that? I too was an SCI member, although I can't remember that far back if I had a different number or not. I now have a 9 digit SPG number. But we DID receive our Sheraton and Westin nights pre-Starwood on our lifetime totals. I was also a Westin member. Back when Lifetime began, there was a thread about it here that noted that all our nights previous to Starwood were counted. I even recall getting something from Starwood showing those pre-Starwood nights I had.
I agree that you should be placed in the highest tier. But we don't need to jump off any bridges just yet! I'm comped to Hilton's top tier Diamond, which is nice when I need a Hilton. But I certainly prefer SPG hotels and Platinum treatment as it exists today in most cities. Or IC's, which are even better at their high tier.
I agree that you should be placed in the highest tier. But we don't need to jump off any bridges just yet! I'm comped to Hilton's top tier Diamond, which is nice when I need a Hilton. But I certainly prefer SPG hotels and Platinum treatment as it exists today in most cities. Or IC's, which are even better at their high tier.
The spg nights shown in my account starts 1999, it does not include any Sheraton or Westin nights.
My account clearly indicated that my Sheraton and Westin nights are not included, even though they were the reason I was made a Gold member in 1999, the first year of SPG.
Apr 27, 2018, 11:37 pm
#161
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 905
My spg number is the same as my SCI number with 7 digits. I started SCI earlier than Westin, so I chose to use SCI as my SPG account.
The spg nights shown in my account starts 1999, it does not include any Sheraton or Westin nights. My account clearly indicated that my Sheraton and Westin nights are not included, even though they were the reason I was made a Gold member in 1999, the first year of SPG.
The spg nights shown in my account starts 1999, it does not include any Sheraton or Westin nights.
My account clearly indicated that my Sheraton and Westin nights are not included, even though they were the reason I was made a Gold member in 1999, the first year of SPG.
Apr 28, 2018, 7:52 am
#162
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
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Posts: 100,413
I agree, sorry I meant harder aspect not necessarily harder overall. Why make SPG LT PLTs subject to Marriott's night requirement but not make MR LTPs subject to SPGs 10 year requirement? SPG doesn't have near the footprint Marriott does so imposing the night requirements of a program with a property literally everywhere shouldn't be automatic.
Personally I'd be fine with this as I obviously have more than ten years of Plat with SPG (for my LTP status) and also more than ten years of earned Plat status (from over 75 nights each year, solely BiB with no credit card nights, no conference room nights, etc.) with Marriott as well as way more than twelve years with Marriott (which once was a requirement too for LTP).
Apr 28, 2018, 1:11 pm
#163
Join Date: Feb 2017
Programs: LT Marriott Titanium, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, IHG Plat, Hertz Prez Circle, United Platinum
Posts: 767
I disagree
What doesn't make sense is that before Feb 1, 2012, SPG Plats were perfectly happy with no lifetime status. Now that they're being offered LTP in the new program, that's not enough??? 
What, exactly, changed that being given LT status didn't matter before Feb 1, 2012 but now it's critical that SPG Plats aren't satisfied with LTP?
If SPG Plats threaten to leave over something this trifle, how often are former SPG members going to threaten to leave in the future? And do you see how this can be construed as a DYKWIA topic?
What, exactly, changed that being given LT status didn't matter before Feb 1, 2012 but now it's critical that SPG Plats aren't satisfied with LTP?If SPG Plats threaten to leave over something this trifle, how often are former SPG members going to threaten to leave in the future? And do you see how this can be construed as a DYKWIA topic?
Apr 28, 2018, 2:49 pm
#164
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Florida
Programs: AA LTG (EXP), Hilton Silver (Dia), Marriott LTP (PP), SPG LTG (P) > MPG LTPP
Posts: 11,329
I disagree
What doesn't make sense is that before Feb 1, 2012, SPG Plats were perfectly happy with no lifetime status. Now that they're being offered LTP in the new program, that's not enough??? What, exactly, changed that being given LT status didn't matter before Feb 1, 2012 but now it's critical that SPG Plats aren't satisfied with LTP?
If SPG Plats threaten to leave over something this trifle, how often are former SPG members going to threaten to leave in the future? And do you see how this can be construed as a DYKWIA topic?
What doesn't make sense is that before Feb 1, 2012, SPG Plats were perfectly happy with no lifetime status. Now that they're being offered LTP in the new program, that's not enough???
What, exactly, changed that being given LT status didn't matter before Feb 1, 2012 but now it's critical that SPG Plats aren't satisfied with LTP?If SPG Plats threaten to leave over something this trifle, how often are former SPG members going to threaten to leave in the future? And do you see how this can be construed as a DYKWIA topic?
Apr 28, 2018, 3:15 pm
#165
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,171
What doesn't make sense is that before Feb 1, 2012, SPG Plats were perfectly happy with no lifetime status. Now that they're being offered LTP in the new program, that's not enough??? What, exactly, changed that being given LT status didn't matter before Feb 1, 2012 but now it's critical that SPG Plats aren't satisfied with LTP?
What, exactly, changed that being given LT status didn't matter before Feb 1, 2012 but now it's critical that SPG Plats aren't satisfied with LTP?